The last day image of Christ- Simon Pinchbeck

Let Your Light Shine — Christian Straight Talk in the Last Days

Hosts: Reverend Ben Cooper & Simon Pinchbeck
Scripture Focus: Matthew 5:14–16

In this powerful and unfiltered episode, Reverend Ben Cooper and Simon Pinchbeck return to the mic with another bold edition of #ChristianStraightTalk. The conversation is grounded in the words of Jesus found in Matthew 5:14–16:

“You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden… let your light shine before others.”

Ben and Simon explore what it truly means to shine the light of Christ in a world filled with darkness, deception, and pressure. As they read and reflect on this pivotal section of the Sermon on the Mount, they challenge listeners to live out their faith with conviction and courage—especially as we approach what many recognize as the very last days.

With the unmistakable tone of #ChristianStraightTalk, the duo dives into real-world issues facing the global church today. They discuss religious freedom, the pressure to conform to cultural compromise, and the spiritual warfare that seeks to extinguish the believer’s influence. Listeners are invited to examine their own spiritual resilience, encouraged to stand firm, and reminded that being the “light of the world” isn’t optional—it’s identity.

Simon speaks passionately about what it means to live authentically as a follower of Christ in today's hostile spiritual environment, while Ben offers biblical clarity on how light not only reveals but also repels darkness. They offer strong encouragement for believers who feel isolated or persecuted, drawing attention to the importance of truth, holiness, and bold faith in the end times.

This episode is a wake-up call for the Church. It’s a reminder that we are called to reflect Jesus even when the world pushes back. You’ll hear truth delivered “straight out the barrel”—raw, honest, and unapologetically biblical.

Whether you’re new to faith or have walked with Jesus for decades, this conversation will equip you to stand firm, ignite your passion for truth, and encourage you to let your light shine brighter than ever before. the Bible

📖 Scripture:

Matthew 5:14–16 (NIV)

“You are the light of the world… let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.”

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Transcript

Reverend Ben Cooper: 0:01

Hello and welcome to Elim church swanley, you're joining myself, Reverend Ben Cooper for today's podcast. Yeah, we're here. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening, wherever you are across the earth today. We thank you so much for joining us here at hashtag Christian straight talk we have our good friend, my brother in Christ Jesus, you know, and I thank God for his life and his family and his ministry. We are Simon Pinchbeck. With us today we welcome him as we gather for just the you know, he's just sharp chat, you know, it's no messing about we're both tired of what church has done to us. We're tired of an empty ministry we're tired of all what religion you know. And the question I have for anyone that's listening right now, are you saved? Are you really a believer in Jesus Christ? Or are you invested in what the world is got? Are you are you putting yourself into ministry rather than putting yourself into the Word of God because we are living in the end days. This is the end the government are coming for the kids that we are driven by a satanic government we are driven by humanism we are driven by so much on godly powers that are at work in the heavenlies now the question is, are you for Jesus? Are you really for Jesus? Are you really for what the world is offering you? Are you are you for him? Now is the time to stand we are we are at the end days we are Armageddon is getting closer the rapture of the church is getting closer and the government has said this week your kids are ours. Simon Happy Days

Simon Pinchbeck: 1:31

Are you put the hammer down there then yeah, you have to choose it and put the hammer down but it is hashtag Christian straight talk and it's great to be today with you Ben and it's great the way you're talking on it because you know you don't hold back and you've, this is what straight talks all about the Christian straight talks all about Ben we've fallen from the hate payment we have about I mean it you know I was looking at this morning came over I came over the come over you know with on the electric scooter

Reverend Ben Cooper: 2:06

Sail was up for Jesus police was chasing you down.

Simon Pinchbeck: 2:10

But you so right Ben we are in the last of the last days are firmly believe that and the title of today's podcast. If you're out there, it's the last day image of Christ.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 2:21

Wow,

Simon Pinchbeck: 2:21

that last day image of Christ and Ben, you know, I want to just kick off with a scripture, it's always a good place to kick off in general.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 2:31

It is the most glorious, the most beautiful place to be sisters and brothers, wherever you are on this earth. The Word of God, the Word of God will give you your healing the Word of God will will take you to a place of peace. So Simon is going to read Simon as you know, I really feel it this morning, I really feel it that we are that we are at a place we are at a spiritual place where we assignment is just going to take us into the Word of God. Are you for Jesus? Are you really for him? Are you in this word? Or are you in the Sunday Country Club?

Simon Pinchbeck: 3:08

As the big thing, isn't it? You know, Ben and I when I I've been asked to talk recently, a few men's breakfast and it's a question that I open up right away right off the bat, you know, are you truly saved?

Reverend Ben Cooper: 3:22

Are you saved?

Simon Pinchbeck: 3:23

if you if you died tonight, you know where you go? Yeah. Are you sure you go? And and that's a question. I think, you know, at times we've all got to ask ourselves, and are we truly walking in in a relationship with Jesus? Or is it as you said, Do we know him or just know about him and then we're gonna kick off so if you if he hadn't even got a Bible there on your phone or ever going to kick off it's from the Beatitudes, which is that the Sermon on the Mount

Reverend Ben Cooper: 3:49

Come on Simon

Simon Pinchbeck: 3:49

are not the big user bigger bodies from the Sermon on the Mount. It's from Matthew 514 through two to 16. And it says this Benny says, You are the light of the world. A city is set on a hill that cannot be hidden.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 4:08

Oh, man,

Simon Pinchbeck: 4:09

we're a city set on a hill we that cannot be him. Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand and it gives light to all that are in the house. And this is the big one Ben he says Let your light so shine before men or they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven. Now it Don't say that. Let your light shine before men that you will be glorified. Nothing says that.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 4:36

Your father

Simon Pinchbeck: 4:37

your Father in heaven be glorified. But we we in the last days want his glory for our cell city on a hill we are Yeah, we can be that lampstand we can be that we I have to be now because at the moment that we're in a world where where some people will not even see It

Reverend Ben Cooper: 5:00

now they won't, they won't see it.

Simon Pinchbeck: 5:02

And we are fighting for them as we're fighting for their lost souls, we're fighting for them, for them to get into the kingdom of heaven.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 5:11

Yes,

Simon Pinchbeck: 5:12

and not even listening, they won't listen, ben. But people will look, they will look and see. And see that light shining out

Reverend Ben Cooper: 5:26

But what makes the light shine, Jesus, I am the light of the world, you have to be in the word, to be able to shine. You have to be in the Word of God to shine, because the Bible mentions in so many places about how Christ reflects light. And at the very beginning of timing in Genesis, it says that God created the heavens and the earth and going into all that have some of that the atheists out there this morning. So God created the heavens and the earth, and he created everything in its inner most have been, and then it says God separated light from darkness. So there was a time when light and darkness was joined together. But now we have around us there is a separation. So when you talk about light, light, is a very powerful thing. Darkness is powerful. But darkness is only powerful, because the absence of light. When light comes into a situation, the darkness goes.

Simon Pinchbeck: 6:28

So when I say that title of this talk is the last day image of Christ Ben

Reverend Ben Cooper: 6:33

Yeah,

Simon Pinchbeck: 6:34

then we are the last day image of Christ. Why is that we are the last day image of God because

Reverend Ben Cooper: 6:42

greater is He that is in me, then he then is in the world. So if you really are saved, if you really are save on again, you are, you are that light,

Simon Pinchbeck: 6:53

you are that light,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 6:54

you will shine, you will shine bright. Now, you might not think that you're shining bright, you might think that he Oh, woe is me. But I am really believe. And Simon will lift is added to this as well. God at this moment in time, is taking true hungry believers to a depth that we've never gone before. But your light is still shining. But your body is reacting. Because it feels foreign. It feels strange. And God is stripping and stripping and stripping. You are going to shine. I just want to encourage you this morning. And I'm not talking the church isn't shining. The church is very dark. The church is satanic. The church is ritualistic the church, the church is got more pagan rituals in it, then worship in the King of kings. Now I'm using the word church very broadly. And I know that there are churches out there that are really doing good for God and their pastor, thank God for you. But the biggest issue that we have now is that the church isn't shining. It's not so in light. It's lost its salt in this.

Simon Pinchbeck: 8:02

that the people within that church that you're describing the people that you're talking about bend out because when God draws someone close to him, Ben, you're right. You start to feel undone. You start suddenly be aware,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 8:16

a wretched man am i

Simon Pinchbeck: 8:17

and you're aware of your frailty, man,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 8:19

you realize that life is fleeting. Life is tough. Life doesn't line up, that you are not living a dream. You are not living a dream, you are living a hellhole of a situation.

Simon Pinchbeck: 8:31

And you're looking around and and your words have fallen on deaf ears because people just aren't listening. They cannot hear the Word of God because why? Because their their lives are not based on godly moral principles. They're based on something they like to call my truth.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 8:48

My truth

Simon Pinchbeck: 8:49

is my truth,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 8:50

my truth,

Simon Pinchbeck: 8:51

if I believe it is true, and I can do it, and it's the same thing you talked about, you know, the Garden of Eden, Ben is the same thing. This is my truth. My truth is that I believe that God didn't really say that.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 9:07

God really say, this lucifer has been saying this for 1000s of years. 10,000 1000s of years and this

Simon Pinchbeck: 9:15

and we're in a in a time. And we there's been times because if you read in Ezekiel chapter two, it's exactly the same. Ben izeka was in a time when no one was listening.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 9:29

No one is listening,

Simon Pinchbeck: 9:30

listen, and we'll go on to what he did with a izeka in a minute. But

Reverend Ben Cooper: 9:38

you want to be radical for Jesus that that is that is the fundamental thing this morning. I want to be radical for Jesus because I've started to realize that lake of fire is extremely real, the lake of fire. Now there's only two places that I will go. I'm either going to be in heaven or and I'm going to be in the abyss of hell.

Simon Pinchbeck: 9:59

And that's What was w

Reverend Ben Cooper: 10:00

here do I want to go?

Simon Pinchbeck: 10:01

Where do you say, where would you go when you die? That's what we're saying, you know, and, and Isaiah, when you know in the Bible, Isaiah saw the Holy Son of God, and all of a sudden he realized he was so unclean. Oh, what a worthless man I am my I've got unclean lips. And he actually said

Reverend Ben Cooper: 10:19

and he said that I have come from a generation of unclean lips. You know, but this is this is true Christianity. When a believer actually realizes You know what? Without him I'm nothing but with him. Everything is possible.

Simon Pinchbeck: 10:38

Because God wants to use you for His glory.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 10:41

He can't use your pride, he can't use you with your PhD he can't use you with your clothes, your your your Kassar, he can't use you in your religious context,

Simon Pinchbeck: 10:54

something I've been writing so you can't use your in your pride because that will happen is is not listen, my friends out there. It's not Jesus and I know Jesus and it's just Jesus using you for his own glory. And, and if you're tempted to shine a bit of a light on you, then I'm afraid you're in the wrong place. Because the light needs to be sharpened out so that God gets all the glory. The church at this moment is sleepwalking into oblivion. It's saying, oh, better days are coming. better days are coming. We're going back to how it used to be my friends, please. We're not going back to our it used to be bad guys aren't coming. It used to go it's going to get worse your religious freedoms as a Christian are going to get slowly eroded away. Did you not hear?

Reverend Ben Cooper: 11:44

Yeah.

Simon Pinchbeck: 11:44

What what the what the minister said that you kind of have to be double jammed in sports events in in big events. And the last thing he said was churches he didn't say most synagogue

Reverend Ben Cooper: 11:58

didn't say he didn't say any religion. churches

Simon Pinchbeck: 12:02

that it there is closing in the act closing in.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 12:06

It's closing in. So the question is, are you for Jesus? Or you're not for Jesus?

Simon Pinchbeck: 12:11

do you feel that? Yeah. Do you feel uncomfortable? Do you feel that you don't actually fit into the place where you're worshiping? Because if that's how you're feeling? You're in a good place?

Reverend Ben Cooper: 12:21

Yeah. Because the Bible makes it very clear that it says and I can't bring the biblical reference, but I will chase it down. But the Bible says that we are a peculiar people.

Simon Pinchbeck: 12:32

Well, yeah,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 12:33

you are, we are a peculiar, because we don't fit in the world looks at us. It looks at us. And it sees or it should see something different. He has to see what he has to see Christ just got to see it hasn't to see Christ let your light shine.

Simon Pinchbeck: 12:51

And is the deal in the days of Zika what happened it he could talk all the light, but no one was listening. So what did God do? He made him lie on his side Ben for 390 odd days, he made his tongue mute and the atom he made him build a little little model of Jerusalem and so that people when they walked by, and I saw it was a picture. Yeah, what was gonna happen?

Reverend Ben Cooper: 13:18

Yeah,

Simon Pinchbeck: 13:18

it was a picture of God. And here we are. Now God is showing us all these terrible things that are happening within the world. It's a picture that God is showing.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 13:29

Yeah,

Simon Pinchbeck: 13:30

you Sodom and Gomorrah talked about awful stuff. Just before we came in it is a picture of, of women abandoning their children, their men abandoning their their families. It's a picture God is showing us.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 13:45

Yeah,

Simon Pinchbeck: 13:46

God is showing you this picture of what the world is becoming. And if you're not, if you're just gonna bury your head in the sand, then then this stuff is going to get worse and it's gonna get worse

Reverend Ben Cooper: 13:57

persecution. I can guarantee you is here and is pushing. There is no flag of revival. There is no revival flag. The days are numbered. The churches at Ascot, it's got its fine clothes on his got his lovely hats, and they have back some horses, but they haven't back the for from the book of Revelation. The church

Simon Pinchbeck: 14:25

isn't gonna go back to how it was

Reverend Ben Cooper: 14:28

the churches that asked God, It's just left the building. And Jesus has left. And you know, when he done that Solomon's temple, the left of the when the leaders of Israel came in to Solomon's holy place, where the presence of God was so glorious was so strong. It was so pure. God said, I can't stay in this. The religious leaders came in. They started doing things in the four corners. And the Bible says that God left out And he went through the East Gate on what way is Christ coming back from the east? is very we are living in very prophetic times God left Solomon's temple. Why? Because the Israelite leaders came in a messed about and changed. What as the church done, it has come in to God's house man has come in. The religious order has come in. And it is speaking blasphemous preaching.

Simon Pinchbeck: 15:27

Well, it's taken a Gloria from God and

Reverend Ben Cooper: 15:30

God is not there

Simon Pinchbeck: 15:31

who so is not there. Why would he ever be there in something where he's not being glorified?

Reverend Ben Cooper: 15:37

be holy as I am holy.

Simon Pinchbeck: 15:40

He's showing us a picture the same as he showed David a picture.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 15:44

Yeah,

Simon Pinchbeck: 15:44

when Nathan came to him, and told him the picture of the man with the one lamb, the one the one sheep, and he's and David reared up, he said, Who is he said, it's, you know, it's you. I got back and he realized that collared shirt is always this lawlessness is getting bent is getting worse get worse, corruption is being exposed by God, in every corner of society, every wickedness is being exposed, seen as evil, and what we find in evil is being glorified.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 16:16

Yeah. And simons just just actually said, what I was going to say you can the evil is being exposed, but the evil is back in the evil. So the evil is accelerate in the evil is the stage has been set has been clearly set for the Antichrist, no revival. Because when you live in the last days, what comes persecution, the Bible is very clear, the sound teaching of the Word of God, from Genesis to Revelation, the revival days are over, there is a remnant that God is speaking to, and that remnant feel more crushed, and they've ever felt crushed in their life. Their religious older is is the, the church, I use this broadly. And please, please, you know, and if you really are a believer, you know what church I'm talking about, but the religious folk will come at me like a train. And that is the identification of who and who you are really, for. The church belongs to the government.

Simon Pinchbeck: 17:17

Yeah, totally, totally agree with you.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 17:19

When someone tell me, someone tell me or show me within this UK, where the power of God is so strong, so strong, is bringing leaders to repent of the the blasphemous lies, that they're switching God's Word or they're not even it's gone beyond that. Someone tell me Please someone correct me. I feel like I'm living in a bad dream. Sometimes I'm living, I'm gonna wake up and the docs are gonna say, Well done, son, you made it.

Simon Pinchbeck: 17:50

You see, Ben, there is a line that we can't cross with God. And and we're rapidly probably approaching that rapidly. But see, we're not. We're sitting there. We're not worried about the pandemic. We're not worried about any of that. But what what is concern as is what's coming after

Reverend Ben Cooper: 18:13

what's coming after

Simon Pinchbeck: 18:13

so we can see what's coming

Reverend Ben Cooper: 18:15

after what's coming over the hill. Besides the Canaanites, the borrisites, the socialites, the satanic arts, that that they're coming. They come in who they come in for the coming for the body of Christ.

Simon Pinchbeck: 18:33

It's totally the coming from the body of Christ.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 18:36

isnt it interesting how the word church has, doesn't, doesn't stand up to what it really should mean anymore. Because every every denomination says we are the church. Every Church says it is the church. every church, the state's Church says we are the church. We are the church. Every Church says we were not the church. If we was the church, we would not be swaying in the Word of God. We would not be sitting down at Synod. We not would not be sitting at conferences with leaders from churches discussing should we marry men?

Simon Pinchbeck: 19:14

Ben Yeah, I'm

Reverend Ben Cooper: 19:15

praying about it.

Simon Pinchbeck: 19:16

Yeah. Oh,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 19:17

and trying to pray God's Word to change.

Simon Pinchbeck: 19:22

I you know, I hear this all the time from from church leaders. Oh, we prayed about this. We prayed about it. We did didn't hear anything. So we'll go over the government said,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 19:31

we'll go what would go what the blonde IKEA worker said, we'll go with him.

Simon Pinchbeck: 19:35

We've gone with what the government said

Reverend Ben Cooper: 19:37

we'll go with. Whoa, no, no, no, no, no,

Simon Pinchbeck: 19:40

check it against the Word of God. Listen, but this is what you know. You said there's gonna be no revival and I believe that I believe there's going to be no mass revival and people are sitting there praying for revival is not going to happen. But there will be a revival of individuals.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 19:56

Yeah.

Simon Pinchbeck: 19:57

of individual because yes, there is a final picture. which God showing us yeah and which is gonna show His grace His mercy in his goodness through more than than anything it's it's if you're listening out there it's you. Yes you hear the city on the hill you

Reverend Ben Cooper: 20:14

are you are being revived if you are being crushed. Yeah, you are being revived. If you are being challenged if you by God's word, you are being revived are being revived because I don't I can't even I don't even like using this word and awakening and awakening what enough it is. The conferences are called the awoke The Awakening conference, that's just sell themselves. It's just another pyramid selling satanic ritual that's going on. God, isn't it when I say awake? He's not awakening us. He what he's doing? He's challenging us to tell it. He's telling us how corrupt I am.

Simon Pinchbeck: 20:53

Yeah, yes.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 20:54

A wretched man. Am I but

Simon Pinchbeck: 20:56

you bought you in that? You gotta want it, ben you have got to want it. You gotta

Reverend Ben Cooper: 21:01

youve got to be hungry.

Simon Pinchbeck: 21:02

If you're riding beyond the sofa. It's you. You gotta want it. You've got to say I've had enough. I don't care what it's gonna cost and because it's gonna cost

Reverend Ben Cooper: 21:12

gonna cost

Simon Pinchbeck: 21:13

it's gonna cost put me on a hill show my lot more like, that's a big one, isn't it? You know, because we are the last line of defense. Yeah, but we're the first line of attack.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 21:25

Yeah, God, God will protect anyone. Anyone that will stand up for him. God will God got us already. God can see you standing. Could because he chose you to stand. We have more leaders that are self appointed than anointed. Self chosen by not chosen by him. We have more leaders in the pagan churchy atmosphere. They have appointed themselves. The church has appointed them because their CV looked great. Who did you who did who did God chose? He chose a shepherd boy to be the king of Israel. What was his CV? I killed a bear and a lion.

Simon Pinchbeck: 22:12

Yeah, yeah.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 22:13

What was his CV? He had no no PhD,

Simon Pinchbeck: 22:16

and is something we'll come on to in another talk. But he said to his brother when his brother challenged him, yeah, told him to get back to 10 in the sheep. He said, Are you not fighting for a course? Are you in a course that we're gonna fight for is an and that's the same thing that that that God's saying to you a day. There's a course here. There's a course to bring more souls into the Kingdom

Reverend Ben Cooper: 22:42

Come on

Simon Pinchbeck: 22:42

to decipher them. You are you if you're sitting out there you are that light? if you but you have to choose to do you. And it's no, it's not deep. It doesn't go any deeper than this. Ben. It's what Paul said on the road to Damascus. He said, Lord, what your monitor.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 23:00

What do you want me to do?

Simon Pinchbeck: 23:01

Isaiah,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 23:02

Lord, Lord,

Simon Pinchbeck: 23:03

send me here I am. Send me it doesn't go any deeper than that. What what we're not is not

Reverend Ben Cooper: 23:09

thats correct It's not that we don't need theological, liberal Christianity. can't even call it Christianity, the liberal way that's in the cult, church play setting at the moment, ethics and science. That's not faith. ethics is not faith. Science is not faith. Now you said something about soul? What did God say to soul? soul soul? Why do you love me? So? Soul Soul why are you waving the flag from Seoul? So why do you persecute me persecute me? That is God. That's God's voice coming out of his territory, say into Seoul. And what did soul do when he hit the ground? Lord? He know who was speaking to him.

Simon Pinchbeck: 23:54

What do you want me to do is

Reverend Ben Cooper: 23:55

what you want me to do?

Simon Pinchbeck: 23:56

And God is not we've said it many times. He's not looking for your abilities, because he knows your abilities. He's looking for your availability, is he working for you to stick your hand up?

Reverend Ben Cooper: 24:06

Do you want me

Simon Pinchbeck: 24:07

and what is your you know, you may be a good communicator, and you use that

Reverend Ben Cooper: 24:13

eloquent, eloquent, you might be educated,

Simon Pinchbeck: 24:16

you may be a good connector.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 24:19

a networker

Simon Pinchbeck: 24:20

you may have a few quid and God wants to use that money to bring people into the kingdom. Yeah, he does. And don't let it just be words, just let contribution of Ben said something earlier. If you're in this situation, you're feeling a bit broken, you are in a great place because the Lord is gonna lift you up out of the dirt and say you are my city on a hill. You want my app on a lampstand

Reverend Ben Cooper: 24:45

Yeah,

Simon Pinchbeck: 24:46

go out and prove you. I'm gonna be glorified. He's not looking for any great ministries. He's not self appointed, self appointed people that have gotten 1000s and millions of people following him on YouTube. Or vice versa know what he's looking for. He's looking for the guy and the woman we've we've, we've got in their heart that they're going out he's looking for. He's looking for people come out on the guys with the Gideon Bibles he's looking for men that that are gonna stick around them. And they're not. He's lucky but not looking for people are going to stand on platforms talking to 1000s he's looking but people are going to talk to their next door neighbor and say, and say Jesus is real. And and you may think you're a good person. Jesus, Jesus is there. And you know he wants to he wants to save you and he wants to love you. And that's what he was always looking for. He doesn't ask it's not a deep theological thing.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 25:43

No, it's not a deep What? What did God say in Isaiah 42, verse eight, he says this, I am the Lord. That is my name. I will not yield my glory to anyone or my praise to idols, I am not sharing my glory with a human being.

Simon Pinchbeck: 26:00

I won't share it with a human being No,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 26:03

I will not share my glory. I will not Isaiah 42. I will not. But who does he share it with? The Scripture says he shares it with Jesus because it's his son, and the son is the Father and the Father and the Son. So there are scriptures that tell us very clearly that God will not share his his glory with a preacher or a teacher, or Benny Hinn or anyone else God will not share His glory with the greatest preacher in this land. He will not do that

Simon Pinchbeck: 26:35

totally

Reverend Ben Cooper: 26:35

end of it is end of you can you can come up you can say what you like you can send God will not share His glory.

Simon Pinchbeck: 26:44

We've said this on this platform many times if the signpost is pointing towards you or pointing towards another preacher, and then then God's not in it. Because the God of devotion is wrong.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 26:56

I'm going to read it one more time. Isaiah 42 verse eight, I am the Lord. That is my name. I will not yield my glory to another or praise to idols. What's the church doing? Praise in idols. What is the church doing? Trying to get glory for me? Pastor We love you. Pastor, you are wonderful. Thank you for that serpent, pasty. Our Bishop, you are oh simon, come and talk at this other. You're good listen to Simon story. Or actually listen to Ben actually.

Simon Pinchbeck: 27:34

If you start to believe your own press cones, then what is happening at lunchtime, if

Reverend Ben Cooper: 27:40

you're getting you're trying to make glory, God's glory. You're trying to snatch his glory.

Simon Pinchbeck: 27:46

He just wants individual men and women he wants your heart. And he says we've been given a new art bend and yeah,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 27:54

he says let your light shine. He doesn't say let your glory shine.

Simon Pinchbeck: 27:57

Look at look at what's going on here in Swanley and where what you're doing you just told me you're feeding two and a half 1000 people there's a light shining out of this place like not nothing else drawing people in to this place. We think about you know, we think about some of the guys that are coming in and helping you ben, these guys have not made a decision for Jesus but they keep coming back coming back because they want that that light. Yeah, they want that light to shine out. I think the prisons have spoken in where where the inmates say we want to be more like the lay preachers who go in every single week because they see something different they got something different and even this week, Ben you know just tell the outsider you know just want to get coffee the lady would give me the coffee. I said to you okay, She just burst out said no, I'm not okay. My boys on medication is attempted suicide. I said, Listen, I'm a Christian. And I want to pray for your son and pray for you. And she came in and she gave me a hug in front of everybody was there its a light that's shining out that draws people in and people will see something different and be drawn to that what they

Reverend Ben Cooper: 29:15

they see Jesus

Simon Pinchbeck: 29:16

they see Jesus yeah

Reverend Ben Cooper: 29:17

they don't they don't see. See. This is this is really, really in really interesting what simon brought to the table today about letting your light shine. Now we could take that text out of context, let my light shine, it's all about me. But no, the light can only shine when you when you are completely in the Word of God because the scripture says, he says I am the light of the world. So I understand that Jesus is the light of the world. Greater is He then is in me then he that is in the world. So what have I got I've got the Word and the Word became flesh. So within a belief, a Bible believing believer, someone that is completely in Jesus You are shining, you are like the ready, break, man, you may know that

Simon Pinchbeck: 30:06

a good example.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 30:07

He glowed, and he wasn't glowing. Because of him, he was glowing, what he fed himself,

Simon Pinchbeck: 30:14

when he was in there, what was inside of him

Reverend Ben Cooper: 30:16

what's inside of you, the glow was not because of what was on the outside, the glow can only glow because of what's on the inside. So the light, the light shine

Simon Pinchbeck: 30:28

16 says, just totally says what you sums up, what you've said Is it says, Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 30:40

you know, they see beyond the flesh, and they see the father

Simon Pinchbeck: 30:44

and they see the Father. They see a difference,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 30:46

you know, so are all are people seeing the father in the church? No. Because it's not representing is the church in this nation, representing God? What is it preaching stuff? preaching the Word of God in this preaching is telling me that I need Jesus

Simon Pinchbeck: 31:06

is not building men and women up to go out there and have a go is is a social

Reverend Ben Cooper: 31:11

gospel?

Simon Pinchbeck: 31:12

It's a bit of a club where people come in, and now you know, yeah, we we'd love to sing. And yeah, now he is great. And you're gonna sing song or whatever. And we'll hear a you know, a 30 minute sermon and maybe have a cup of coffee and a doughnut or something, you know, praise the God and actually church down for the we know, god's sakes is your light is gonna be shining out all the time so that your father is glorified.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 31:37

Yeah, I've just picked a word up from you, Simon, and the word was saying there's a difference between singing and worshiping. Right now, when you look at worship, he says, My people will worship me in spirit and in truth. Yeah, we can sing down a pub. I can sing a few weeks back back in Wembley Stadium foot three lions, that the nation is lifting up free lions are not lifting up the line of Judah. See, I can sing all day long. I can go Never karaoke. The church is singing away to the latest. Whatever it is sing into. But a true worshiper worships in spirit. And in truth in in truth,

Simon Pinchbeck: 32:16

yeah, that and that and that sing song in the church. What might you feel? Because it made you feel happy?

Reverend Ben Cooper: 32:21

Why? Because emotionally it will be so emotional singing is emotional stuff. worship. What is worship, worship is true surrender. True surrender, said a word there and you betray Oh, gosh, that word never existed. True surrender in spirit in every corner of you in every dark, dirty, rotten scummy mucky area in me, I need to hand it over to him. If you if he was to sit us down in front of a counselor, they'd lock us up that you're off your rocker, because worldly counsel. Come on, you know, but True. True. speech from God's Word will tell you a wretched man am I but but the big bar is that God is with us. God loves you and your rich. God loves you because I have surrendered. So when someone was talking about singing, the church is singing all right? is singing is singing the wrong stuff. It is not worshiping there is a difference. I go in church and we sing and we clap. And we jump up and down but who you're really serving? Are you lifting up Jesus or you're lifting up Lucifer worship? Lucifer, we know the story of Him. Jesus said, I watched him I see him cast out and he fell like lightning. What was he in there? He was the lead. He was a leader.

Simon Pinchbeck: 33:46

He was a worship leader, wasn't he? So worship

Reverend Ben Cooper: 33:50

is a very powerful word powerful

Simon Pinchbeck: 33:52

word.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 33:52

Yeah. But Will my people will worship me in spirit and in truth. What is truth? I am the way the truth and the life of Jesus is no one comes to what the summon say earlier. No one comes to the Father, except through me through me. So worship. True. We have so much so many people are bound in church still, even through worship, because we're not worshiping the God of Israel.

Simon Pinchbeck: 34:20

And so this is an interesting point, a noon and a real powerful road. We're going down because, you know, john 316 says, you know, God loved the word so much. Yeah, he gave his only son. Yeah. Now, God loves it. So much. When we praise Jesus, when we worship God, he loves it. Why? Because he gave us his son. He saw this world I have to be for your film for my film, to rise again to say was and then to lead us back to the, you know, he sees everything he's done. Everything

Reverend Ben Cooper: 34:58

was great. Free

Simon Pinchbeck: 35:00

Oh totally free.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 35:02

were free, If you are a believer, when you get back into the church environment, you know, whatever that may be, what are the words you are actually singing? What is the melody that is coming across the airwaves? Are you focused on that handsome man in a corner with a guitar? Are you focused on that pretty one in the corner? Are you focused on them? I a true worship leader will take you into the presence of a holy God.

Simon Pinchbeck: 35:33

Ben we you know, we're we're in a world of Christian rock and festival. And it's normally seven words repeat 11 times.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 35:43

Yeah, yes.

Simon Pinchbeck: 35:43

people enter a trance like state and they and they come on and they wave their hands in the air and everyone's Yeah, healing. Yeah.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 35:52

euphoria, ecstasy that that fleshly the adrenaline rush. And

Simon Pinchbeck: 35:58

it's interesting that we have churches like you know, out there like buffalo they've got amazing worship teams productions. You've got churches like Hillsong worship, to draw people in other people. When when we question the teachings of these churches because they put God a kick out, put you in there and make you a God made you God, they put you at the center. And when we question the teachers, or the people are going here, but what about great music,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 36:32

they got 1000s and millions of people following them music

Simon Pinchbeck: 36:34

is great places,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 36:36

their music is great,

Simon Pinchbeck: 36:37

pulling people sending them to hell, because music is great. We ain't got the spirit of god that's that's throwing people around in Bethel. It's It's It's the Kundalini spirit is another spirit,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 36:49

another spirit

Simon Pinchbeck: 36:49

and they're drawing people in. And if you're in that place, I know many people have been to these places, and after a few months to sign up just wasn't right. Because when you're worshiping the worship leader, or you're worshiping, the guy comes out and says something, that's not what God wants you to be. He wants you to be worshipping.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 37:11

thats right?

Simon Pinchbeck: 37:13

Jesus wants you to worship again.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 37:15

There's a lot of transcendent meditation that goes along with that. There's a lot of trancing that goes along with that. There is a lot of this, this vibe of this happy vibe for this euphoria this, this this this feeling of being in a in a festival.

Simon Pinchbeck: 37:31

It's just like the the raves of the 80s. But yeah, you got it. You do it because they add some massive DJs but then didnt they

Reverend Ben Cooper: 37:40

it. Yeah, exactly. So why would I want to go into a black building? With no windows? The darkness? Why would I want to go into the darkness and have one light shining on a human being? shining on the most handsome, ripped?

Simon Pinchbeck: 37:57

No, you don't get 4050 year old worship

Reverend Ben Cooper: 38:01

hanging out? Yeah, I mean, singing Kumbaya, true worship

Simon Pinchbeck: 38:06

in Christ alone? No, I don't think that's gonna be there is

Reverend Ben Cooper: 38:09

true worship in the scripture will take you to a place, that your flesh or your your, your being cannot get you to true worship will will get you to worship in two things in spirit. Yet, there's another spirit. So this is very interesting. So true worship will get you whether to in the spirit of the Kundalini spirit, or will get you in the Holy Spirit. truth, truth, there's only one, you know, the Bible tells us that Lucifer is the father of lies. The Bible tells us he is the way the truth and the life. So true worship, true worship of the God of Israel of Jesus Christ will get you to a place where, where you can't move, where you are fixated, and you say, God, you are so holy, you are so pure. Lord, I feel so far away from you, Lord, I'll need you like never before. Come Holy Spirit, Lord. That's what true worship gets you to

Simon Pinchbeck: 39:07

true worship will take us. As we've said many times into the garden against seminary, where will we just throw us out on the floor?

Reverend Ben Cooper: 39:14

You'll be crying

Simon Pinchbeck: 39:15

or not? Not my will but your will be done.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 39:18

Yeah, it will. It will almost almost bring an an holy atmosphere to the to the church of off so it's so quiet. I can't speak. I can't move. Yeah, john fell as if he was dead in the presence of the one like the Son of man. I fell down because his glory was so powerful. I can't even look up. I can't even lift my hands. I can't even find a strength to look. true worship can almost put you in a place of fear but in a place of the fear of God. Well, freedom.

Simon Pinchbeck: 39:53

Here's the deal, Ben, you know, we talked a bit about our desire and you talked about as well in Isaiah six It said, it says that angels who have six wings cover worship the garden and they can't have the two of them wings up to cover their eyes because it's beyond human.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 40:13

Not it's beyond my understand is beyond me that this holiness is so holy, that if I now feel that I was to stand in this true, Holy God, my

Simon Pinchbeck: 40:26

body would explode at 1am to Moses, his face and to be covered in his happiness his countenance was was incredible. You know, you, we, we call out, we just want to be at the door that we did just feel that the warmth from the lawn at the top and you know, we, this is straight talk today, for sure we're coming. We're coming rocks shooting from the hip, that's for sure. But we want to, you know, people want to put God in a box, don't they? Yeah, say, yeah, I'll push out a little bit of worship there. And then I'll go on and do I'll come back and I'll pick it up and put him down. No, your lights got to be shining out. 24 seven, and when that light starts to get dull, get yourself into the garden again, and say, Lord, Lord, forgive me for this stuff. You know, I'm wrong. I'm just, I'm just a shell of a human being. But I'm nothing without Jesus Christ. You were nothing without Jesus, Jesus has done everything for us. And we can do nothing with without him. This is the cry of our heart. When you write a prayer person cannot represent Christ. It's impossible. It's impossible. A prayer person cannot. Because we're nothing without you. And we have to, you know,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 41:43

there's an interesting word pride, that there's a certain movement that uses that word.

Simon Pinchbeck: 41:50

Well pride it totally. And, and that's pride puts you at the center pride puts you know, is that is

Reverend Ben Cooper: 41:58

this all about? resource. I will live our I want to live our dress our I want to dress, I will do what I want, and you're not going to tell me nothing. Pride.

Simon Pinchbeck: 42:06

So God, if you're out there, you can have the heaven but you know, this is my audio. And and really, so you're following the devil's doctrine? Yeah, you're following Luciferian? religion? Yes. Which is humanism, which we talked about last week, which puts you at the center, and with pride, you cannot glorify God, God cannot be glorified.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 42:27

The question I'm asking myself today, do I really? Do I want Jesus? Do I? Am I am I saved? Am I washed in the blood? Am I

Simon Pinchbeck: 42:37

and if you are saved, and you know, we're speaking to saved and unsaved people out there, you know, with the Senate, right? The beginning, you know, if you died tonight, where would you go? And if you're thinking about that, you know, as we do, but if if we'll come to that in a second. But if you are a born again, spirit full believer in yours, putting your hand up today and saying, Lord, what do you want me to do? Here's the deal. It doesn't have to be great. It doesn't have to be great. God can use you for the smallest things. It doesn't have to He's great. But he's got to be God. Yeah. There's got to be glorified. smallest things, Ben, embrace God, even saying, how are you? Are you okay? To a lady that captured a coffee, the door opens God's glorifying, wow, you're gonna be praying for that person. It doesn't have to be great, but it's got to be God. And he just wants to

Reverend Ben Cooper: 43:35

be God, it's got to be God.

Simon Pinchbeck: 43:37

He just wants to pull you up. He wants to put you on that hill and go, you are my city on a hill. glorify,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 43:43

let your light shine, let your light shine, let your light shine, Simon shine, you know, we've just pushed this is just this this time has just accelerated so much. And we just want to encourage everyone on the other side of these mics to ask today. You know, just give yourself to Jesus, please, please, if you remember me for anything, just say all he just kept saying was just give yourself to the God of Israel. Give yourself to the word give yourself. Give yourself you know, you're exhausted in ministry, because the you've give yourself to ministry, you're exhausted in life, because you've given yourself to number 10. You you've given yourself the business, but give yourself to Jesus, give yourself to Jesus and give yourself to Jesus

Simon Pinchbeck: 44:28

and as we said, you know, keep your hands the plow down, oh, thank you stay focused for the glory of God and not for anything else. Everything you do, as a Christian has to be done for the glory of God. And if that's not your motive, then you need to step back, check into the garden and reset and move forward

Reverend Ben Cooper: 44:52

and you reset for Jesus. Amen. He is the wife. Thank you so much. You know, we've reached that we've reached that landing point. And we thank God for for Simon. Thank you even listen to Simon Pinchbeck. You've been listening to a sinner, Ben Cooper. And praise be the guardian straight talk and hashtag Christian striked out Yeah, straight out of the barrel you can you can catch Simon in so many different places and if you need him please do you know you'll just catch him on go on to the website hashtag Christian straight talk you can catch him via email there or any other means but just Google that hashtag Christian straight talk we thank you so much. And what we really want to be is is encouraging you Never give up. Never give up.

Simon Pinchbeck: 45:34

Never give up. In a few weeks we've got a book coming out. I mean, the first book Yes, yeah. Again, it's just called hashtag Christian strike talk. It's all about men's stuff. And we'll give you more details about that. But yeah, but it's all about glorifying the Lord is about as he really is been written by two blogs.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 45:56

Bible there's no you know, that's it.

Simon Pinchbeck: 46:00

Yeah, I've been we've been putting together with with Crayola crayon something we've been writing it down and burn it. You know, it's all about it's taken from our podcasts and some real good positive stuff. Yeah, fellas in that first one. So that's it.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 46:15

Yes. It literally is taken from the podcast. We haven't sat down and gathered and said let's do this. We have just spoken and spoken spoken and from that. Praise be to God. Someone has picked it up and they run with it and the voice has become written text. That's it. May Have a great day. May God bless you and strengthen you. Simon, thank you so much for coming over over the hill. Have a safe journey back and we'll catch you soon. Remember what we always say. Follow Jesus Christ in Jesus name Jesus. Amen. Amen.

Close: 46:48

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