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"Join Reverend Ben Cooper and Brian in this powerful episode exploring Israel’s global significance, biblical prophecy, rising anti-Semitism, and spiritual warfare in today’s world.
"Why is Israel a focal point of global contention, and what spiritual dimensions lie beneath the surface of this animosity? We engage with our insightful guest, Brian Green from Israel, to explore these profound questions. Together, we examine the historical and spiritual roots of anti-Semitism, pondering the role of biblical narratives and spiritual warfare in shaping contemporary attitudes towards Israel. Our discussion uncovers the enduring spirit of Amalek and reflects on the consequences when societies distance themselves from spiritual values.
As geopolitical tensions rise, could modern alliances signal the unfolding of biblical prophecies? Brian and I navigate the intricate web of international relations, exploring the spiritual and societal impacts of rising anti-Semitism, particularly in academic environments like American Ivy League universities. We dissect the growing divide between support for Palestine and Israel, highlighting the intersection of political and religious beliefs shaping today's charged climate.
Bias in media portrayal of Israel is another pressing issue we tackle, as we highlight the courageous efforts of independent journalists like David Collier. Our conversation extends to the motives behind global agendas and the influence of international alliances on Israel's position in the world. We also celebrate Israel's remarkable contributions to technology, agriculture, and science, emphasizing its resilience and significance despite global challenges. Access Brian's impactful resources to deepen your understanding of Israel's complex role in our world.
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God bless you wherever you are. It's hashtag Christian straight talk. We are straight in, we are into the arena. It is a good day because this is the day that the Lord has made. I shall rejoice and be glad. It's myself and Simon, and we have our lovely brother with us, brian Green, away from Mayoz, israel, and we are in a great position in this moment. In the world, wherever we are, because Christ is returning, all things are possible to those who believe. So we welcome our brother, brian, in with us today. And the title of this podcast is why is Israel so hated? Simon, do you want to introduce our friend? Do you want to bring him in.
Speaker 3:I don't think there's no introduction.
Speaker 2:No, big him up, even more, big him up. Big him up, come on.
Speaker 3:Well, I just do. He's a Crystal Palace fan, so I'm not. You know, that's right, no?
Speaker 1:he's a Crystal Palace fan so I'm not.
Speaker 3:Oh, I know that's right. Yeah, oh, brian, great for you to be with us over the mics today. And yeah, just tell everybody where we're going today with this one, okay yeah, yeah, it's really good to be with you guys again.
Speaker 1:It really is.
Speaker 2:Blessings, Brian. What?
Speaker 1:an interesting title, isn't it?
Speaker 2:It is really interesting, isn't it? I hate it, isn't it?
Speaker 1:It's really interesting, isn't it? So I hated. And that's a different levels, isn't it?
Speaker 2:There is different levels, isn't it? Yeah?
Speaker 1:And you know, I suppose the question, I think, when someone says so, who hates them?
Speaker 2:Who is it? Because there are different perspectives.
Speaker 1:aren't there Different perspectives on why Israel, why Israel, is so hated? And we can look at different enemy. Satan hates Israel because they represent God's promises.
Speaker 3:That's what's behind everything and that's not new, is it Brian?
Speaker 2:That's not new, is it true when Jesus said as they persecuted me, so will they persecute. So we get an understanding that this has biblical foundations. It is not for any political reason. It is because of Jesus Christ. It is because of the God Yahweh. It is because of Jesus Christ. It is because of the God Yahweh. It is because of God. It is because of the Bible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because of his promises of God, God said I'm going to do this Because they are the chosen ones.
Speaker 2:You know, Israel is the chosen race. You can't escape that, can you?
Speaker 1:No, no, no, he's chosen and he manifests himself in so many different ways, Through anti-Semitism. Of course, that's one area and you know, there's the spiritual aspect, which is the most important thing, and as believers in Jesus, we need to see that, don't we?
Speaker 1:Because sometimes we can think oh well, these Palestinians or these Muslims or these other nations hate Israel, and we can be. It can make us angry. Sometimes anti-semitism makes us angry. It should do. But how should we direct that anger? Because as believers in jesus, we're not supposed to, you know, be in a sense angry and hateful towards other people. So how do we balance them? That is, we say we see behind it. We see that behind what's happening is the enemy, is Satan, who stirs up hatred.
Speaker 3:That's a great point, brian. I think and I was reading somewhere that a lot of Israelis call it the Amalek spirit.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:And which rears its head over the centuries on many times it does actually, yeah, it really does that whole thing.
Speaker 2:It keeps repeating itself.
Speaker 1:Politicians quote it, as well as people who believe in the Lord as well. It is true, it's that whole thing. It goes right the way back, doesn't it? To when Israel came out of the Promised Land, heading towards the people of Israel. It's heading towards their land, and these nations, like Amalek, tried to kill them. And it's still alive today, that spirit. Alive today, that spirit. Maybe different people, but the demonic spirit behind it is the same.
Speaker 3:And it was the. If we go right back to David, it was the Amaleks who raided Siglag and took all his First Chronicles 30 yeah, that's it. And then he encouraged himself in the Lord, his God, and took it all back.
Speaker 1:That's right he did, yeah, so we're praying for that same thing to happen now. Those 100 plus hostages still out there.
Speaker 2:So, regarding the spiritual aspect of this, even though the human being might pass away, what we have to remind ourselves is that the spiritual attack is always there and it will just use the vehicle of a human being. As we see very clearly around the Passover table, it says Satan entered intoas iscariot. So the human may die, but the spiritual aspect is still the same. It will never go. No. So as governments come and everything comes in and changes and switches around, the biblical strength behind it, as in the enemy, the enemy is always, always there, yeah, yeah, yeah, and it just changes from leader to leader, person to person. So we are not dealing with human beings, no, no, we are dealing with spiritual warfare. Exactly what?
Speaker 3:Paul said didn't I Exactly it?
Speaker 1:is yeah, we need to recognise that, don't we? And that's a great point Brian.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it is true. And the thing is, when you push God out of any society, these spirits are just waiting there to come in and fill.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 3:You know, when you're strong with the Lord, then they can't get in. But when you push him out and he's been pushed out of governments, out of societies these things come sweeping back in. They don't go away.
Speaker 2:And I think what's important to remember isn't it is that the spiritual world don't live by our work. Clock nine to five. The spiritual world is 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Getting stronger now. Getting stronger. The darkness is getting, but we understand the other side of that, so we know that it's going to get darker. So it's so critical to understand that this is not a human fight. This is the battle that belongs to the Lord. The biblical interpretation is critical, so the spiritual forces that are at work, but we know the end of the story. We do, yeah. So where in this, brian, do you see this going in the next few years? I know what do you? When you look at Israel and you look at the biblical understanding of it and you've seen what you've seen and you've visited what you visit out there where do you reckon this is going?
Speaker 1:I mean, there's lots of people on the internet, aren't there, talking about, you know, the War of Gog and Magog.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's this.
Speaker 1:Ezekiel scenario. Okay, it may be the beginning of it. I remember there was a famous speech by Winston Churchill where he said this may not be the end. It may not be the end. It may not be the end of the beginning, but it might be the beginning of the end, or something like that I'm not making that right, yeah we've got to see where we are in that stage, haven't we?
Speaker 1:and um, yeah, so this might be that whole thing. You know what, with iran becoming involved, we've already got this international alliance of about 12 nations in the gulf countries like ourselves and the states and india, and trying to protect from huti attacks on the shipping. Um, and then you've got these alliance forming as well Russia, iran, syria. They're definitely working together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Supplying each other with arms, the war in Ukraine and the war, so you can see these whole. It's like joining the dots, isn't it?
Speaker 3:really yeah, there's allegiances coming together, but we've still, you know, the Antichrist has still got that. That's right. So there has to be peace at some point, doesn't?
Speaker 1:it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, in the Middle East.
Speaker 1:Indeed, and so you know you're right.
Speaker 3:You know this could be that we are probably in the beginning of what the Bible calls, you know.
Speaker 1:It is, yeah. Yeah, there's Prince Rising, because you know, we look back to Daniel, don't we? And the Prince of Persia. Just about to say that, which was a spiritual force which hasn't gone away. Yeah, the people are different, as you say, ben, but there's still these spiritual forces working in certain areas.
Speaker 2:And not that we give any airplay to the devil on the darkness, but it is such a strong force and if we don't know who we are in Christ Jesus as false, and if we don't know who we are in christ jesus, as we done earlier on today, the winds come, the streams rose. If you're building on sand, you're going to fall with a great great. If you build on the rock and your eyes are open to what's going on, you're going to be okay to that degree, aren't you sure that's?
Speaker 1:what jesus said, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:you know, you?
Speaker 1:you will know these things. I don't know. Yeah, there's lots of talk, isn't it about pre-tribulation rapture, mid-tribulation rapture, post-tribulation rapture? Loads pre-millennial, all this sort of thing. But I think it was. It was david paulson who said I think I might quote him before. They said you know, when you think about the words of jesus, when you see these things, yeah you will know what they are signals. So some things we just don't know.
Speaker 3:Brian, an awful lot is being exposed right now.
Speaker 3:An awful lot is being exposed. We're seeing, especially in the States. We're seeing on these big universities, these Ivy League universities, the amount of anti-Semitism which has been taught and been brought up in a culture so that when you got you had three heads and they were all ladies three heads of was it University of Pennsylvania, mit and Harvard. And they were asked one question by the lady and she wouldn't let go. She was like a pit bull, wasn't she? She said it's calling for the genocide of the Jewish nation and offence in your university. And the answer they all came back with was it all depends on what context I know, wow, and so you know one has resigned, one got fired and the other one's just waiting, I think.
Speaker 1:But what it is, it's exposed that and even then in the stories. I don't know if you've noticed, I've been watching some of the reporting on the lady who's I can't remember her first name, mrs Gay, who resigned, and even the journalist reporting said that she's been taken down by a Jewish financier and I thought, well, that just sounds like a trope that sounds like an anti-Semitic response to that.
Speaker 1:Okay, if someone is like that, then it's right for finances that support her to be withdrawn. Also, it's been found out that she I think allegedly so.
Speaker 2:The news has reported that she actually plagiarised her and she isn't actually qualified for the job, but to say a Jewish financier has taken her down.
Speaker 1:I'm thinking well, actually now this guy had the money, he was supporting someone and he realised that she was wrong and he withdrew his finances, as any sensible person would Completely right, as if it's the Jewish money controlling everything again.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, there's that little twist, that little dig, A little twist on it. That, that little twist that little, dig that little twist on it.
Speaker 1:That little dig again. I know you know the actress, maureen Lipman. Yes, now she's Jewish, of course, and she's abhorred by the amount of anti-Semitism. And she said these things they say that Jews control the world. She said I can't even find my way around Tesco's. These things that they say about Jewish people is just, you know, untrue.
Speaker 2:It's so worrying.
Speaker 3:It just shows the mindset of these young people and the craziness that if you come out against the Palestinians and the supporters of Palestine are able to mass big protests. If you come out wearing an Israeli flag, you quite likely get arrested, you know, or even a British flag.
Speaker 2:Or even a British or an English flag.
Speaker 3:yeah, and there was one on the YouTube I saw there was one Scottish guy and in fact he was living in Bethnal Green or Newham somewhere and he said look at this, you know, and all these Palestinian flags were everywhere. And he was saying these people come here and then they put up the Palestinian flags and all that sort of stuff and they came to his house and they arrested him for hate speech and stuff.
Speaker 3:But it doesn't. You know, you can call for this, you can call for that, but there doesn't seem to be anything. Go on, but as soon as it's the other way around. So what we're saying here, by the title of the thing, there is a deep-rooted, deep sense of hatred towards the Jewish nation.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:But it's not just come in in the last few months this has been going on for decades and centuries.
Speaker 2:Yes, it has.
Speaker 1:It's always been there, nothing new under the sun, and so it's always been there. It's interesting that you bring up, simon, the subject of flags, isn't it? Because there's a story in the Jewish Chronicle this week and a friend of mine who's a pastor in East London, tower Hamlets is week, and a friend of mine who's a pastor in east london, tower hamlets interviewed because um tower hamlets is the most islamic borough in london, um, but sadly lots of palestinian flags have been put up all over the borough. Now tfo have taken the flags down, um, but the council haven't taken them down, um, so a number of people have said this is threatening, particularly in an area called the drive this is a report to the jewishicle, which is the Jewish area in Tower Hamlets.
Speaker 1:Lots of Palestinian flags there, lots of Jewish people trying to come out of their homes. So one pastor I know had complained I think he's the only pastor who said this isn't right, we cannot have the normalization of antisemitism. So he got a lot of flak and flags were put outside his church. He went out and took them down and he got verbally abused for that. Wow, because he said I'm not having it, not on my watch, you know not while I'm a pastor here in London. I think he's the only one in Tower Hamlets who stood up against anti-Semitism.
Speaker 2:Interesting, isn't it? Who's standing at this moment in time? Who is literally standing.
Speaker 3:And that's an interesting thing, because Tower Hamlets one time that was a, you know, years ago, that was a massive Jewish area, wasn't it? I think it was the rag trade and everything was going on down there nothing's changed.
Speaker 2:So what else can you see? And you got there, brian, for us regarding this subject, why is Israel so hated? There's such a it sounds a real strong piece of language, doesn't it? Why are they hated? We know it's the spiritual drive. Then also, there's political and there's money involvement and there's nations rising against nations. We know oil is driving so much. We know commodity and fossil fuels are rising in different areas and all this sort of stuff and the barrel of oil, everything is is focusing on Israel, still, isn't it? But the British journalism, the majority of the mainstream media, doesn't tell us right to the depth of what is happening within Israel. It skirts around the edge. It's like sitting on the Garden of Gethsemane. But when we read the Jewish news and you come in and give us all this stuff, it actually opens your eyes to real journalism, doesn't it? It only gives you what we want as the West. It will just feed us.
Speaker 3:There's one commentator out there, douglas Murray, and he's been in Israel on the board and he has come out very strongly and he's given it to people like Piers Morgan and people in the States. He's come out very, very, very strongly, brilliant, and he's given it to people like Piers Morgan and people in the States. He's come out very, very strongly. But, as you quite already said, the rest of the world just take one view, and what you said last week, brian, is very, very true. Why are the news agencies listening to a terrorist organisation giving them information? I know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, there's one case in point isn't there about this story by the I think it was called the Committee for Protecting Journalists, which is an American organisation, which reported that 107 journalists had died in Gaza and that Israel had been deliberately targeting them.
Speaker 1:So, anyway, there's a chap called David Collier and I would recommend following him on social media. David Collier is a Jewish guy from Brighton and he's I think he was voted one of the 10 most influential Jewish people in the world because he's a very good investigative journalist. So what he did was he said okay then and he went and he spent there's a big research project which is posted on the internet and he looked at every one of these 107 journalists, who they were, where they lived, what they worked with, and his statistics showed that I think it was over 70% of them supported the attacks on the 7th. The two that were killed in a car recently were actually one worked for Palestinian Islamic Jihad and one was the son of a Hamas leader. They happened to be in the car with the Hamas guy in when he was targeted by the israeli.
Speaker 1:So these are military targets yes, these guys work for military organizations and yet, of course, this center for was it center for protecting journalists reported it, and of course, many british news outlets reported it just as they heard it. Oh look, israel has targeted journalists without doing any research. There's no due diligence is the word that's used when it comes to journalistic reporting these days. They don't say, oh, hamas has said this, or is Palestinian Islamic Jihad have said this. We need to look into it. We need to find the truth.
Speaker 3:Well, there's very few independent journalism, very few independent news outlets. They're all geared to one side or the other, and so what we see in the states is that when you get um, msnbc, cbs, all all those, abc, all those, they're very geared to the left, the left, the democratic party, um, and even Fox News. So there's one voice coming out with one narrative and they're all following the narrative. It's not an independent thing. So, to look in the States, you've got to go independently for some independent stuff.
Speaker 2:I also think. Because humanity is so busy, our ears just hear certain things. So the news, humanity is so busy, our ears just hear certain things. So the news. Journalism is very, very clever. The medium, and we understand that there's a spiritual force behind the medium. When you break that down and when it drip feeds you, it's like when the voice in the garden of Eden are you sure you know you question things because life is so busy and quick. We don't analyse like we used to.
Speaker 3:They can show you stuff, can't?
Speaker 2:they. Oh, that's that, that's that.
Speaker 3:You know, and the hospital thing was everybody jumped on about that.
Speaker 2:Bang bang you know without knowing.
Speaker 3:Look, and we have you know, was used to be recognised as one of the great institutions of the UK, the BBC. Took how many weeks, brian, to come out and address these people?
Speaker 2:as terrorists. Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:I think fear fear Freedom fighters or whatever they call them. They won't label it as what it is. So, Brian, the question I got is, as a believer, where do I get my news right? I know we've got the Bible, I get that. But where is a good source to go to to really pull back the fabric of Sky, BBC, all these westernised glitz and glamour news channels that will drip feed me and I really don't take it in. But where do I find the truth behind, behind this fabricated journalism? So what do I read?
Speaker 1:yeah, I mean as a person in the uk and I presume a lot of your listeners are in the uk and a believer. There are good organizations based in israel that are christian organizations, believing organizations that will, yeah, be objective, will tell you the truth.
Speaker 1:So you've got different people like I mean, as I said, it was my arse, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I always recommend a journalist called Joel Rosenberg. He's based in Israel. He's a believer. He has access to many senior politicians from across the world. They often interview from and also Christian leaders as well. So, for example, franklin Graham was in Israel recently and was interviewed by him. He also interviewed Mike Pence on his recent visit.
Speaker 1:He has two news channels One is called All Israel News and one is called All Arab News. So Arab journalists are in there as well and they will give very accurate reporting on what's happening. But you've got organisations like the International Christian Embassy of Jerusalem as well Bridges for Peace. These are charities, british-based charities, who work in the land, seeing things on the ground, and also work with Arab believers as well and Arab people helping Muslims also. So they will tell you things that are on the ground happening. It won't be as nicely packaged because we've obviously got the money, but you know it means clicking into websites, connecting with websites, listening to their news feeds, listening to what they do.
Speaker 3:It's not hard to find. So I mean, if you go on to mails, you've got some great stuff on there. One for Israel. We've got some great stuff. Really good. They've even got merchandise as well. Brian T-shirts.
Speaker 2:Brian, you need to get T-shirts with your face on.
Speaker 3:But if you follow that through, it gives you a real, true account of what's happening.
Speaker 2:Because what we want is a biblical account. So the media will give you a satanic account because it will only give you world media, will give you what is happening one world government, one world order, the rise of the anti-christ. It is all together. The media is all wrapped up and driven by such darkness. But as bible believing believers, we need to be very careful who we listen to, who we follow, because that will make us stand on one side or the other. And it's critical, isn't it, for a christian to actually know the truth, because we can all get swept away by the british media and the world media, and they've really gone quiet on the Israel stuff.
Speaker 3:Well, that's an interesting point, Ben and Brian, and what I was going to mention there is that we're very quick nowadays because we like microwave news Bang, bang, bang, bang and, oh, we've moved on. Oh, santa Claus has come, you know, and we're into the new year, but you know, we must never forget Israel right now, never, never forget. We've got to keep Israel in our prayers, we've got to keep abreast of what's going on, because for our, as a believer, it's so biblical right now of what's happening over there that we owe it to ourselves, we owe it to our faith, to research and and look and see what's happening and and whatever we can do to help, whether that be just prayer, not just prayer, obviously, but prayer or money, or whatever we can do to help. I think we've got to step forward, I think we've got to, you know, step up to the plate and we've got to stand, because we're standing with israel.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's it's so important, isn't it To be alert, to be the watchman on the wall, to go beyond the British media and the world media and go right into the heart, because the Bible says you will know the truth and the truth will set you free. But when we're given all these lies and we're under governments that are just self-inward focus, you have to ask yourself why are all these ships, why? Why is all this alliance coming together? Is it really for the people of israel or is it for the oil and the riches of the world? There is hidden agendas. I cannot believe that these governments are coming together for the benefit of the Bible-believing believers within Israel. There is other agendas set out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there is other agendas set out, but the main agenda of someone like Iran is the complete obliteration of Israel. Oh, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's their agenda.
Speaker 2:But with America and the UK. What is the UK doing? At the moment the post office is making more news than Israel, which that is a serious subject and I'm not making any lighthearted of that, because that was atrocious. But there we have a classic incident of the UK government with all its fabricating and all that. The human being almost has no chance against the matrix and the system. So we need to be careful. What's the intention of the British government and what do you know that the British government is doing?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean there's been some changes, haven't there, with the sacking of Suleyman Abrahman, james Peverley moving to the Home Office and, of course, lord David Cameron making a comeback from the House of Laws as Foreign.
Speaker 2:Secretary.
Speaker 1:And I was watching the Select Committee yesterday I think it was David Cameron had to appear before there and they asked him about whether Israel was breaking international law. And I don't know, I can't quite exactly, but he said I hope they're not. He said but I've spoken to the lawyers in the Foreign Office, fco, foreign and Commonwealth Office and they said they can't see any evidence of Israel breaking international law, which is good because that's an official select committee in the House of Commons. And he's saying that our lawyers British legal system in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office said Israel are not breaking the law, which is good because as a precursor to the court hearing today in the hague, that helps because that's in a way it's a narrative that feeds into that court hearing. So we're grateful for that. I mean, obviously, practically britain has sent a lot of ships, haven't they? They've said several, several ships. I've got that many, we've several one anymore.
Speaker 3:You know what's sold for scrap? Look around.
Speaker 2:What can we find?
Speaker 1:have they sent what they can to mine sweeping? Trying to mine sweep in the Black Sea? Turkey stopped them doing that. They said you're not allowed to do it, so they blocked our ships there. So our ships are in the Red Sea trying to protect shipping. They've also provided supplies for Gaza. Remember there's 100 vehicles a month going from Israel into Gaza 100 vehicles a month.
Speaker 2:People don't into Gaza A hundred vehicles a month.
Speaker 1:People don't know that. A hundred vehicles of supplies, food, water, everything. No one's saying that the UK are providing some supplies. They also have an evacuation thing in place to help citizens who want to get out. I think that it seems they've got the foreign citizens who wanted to leave obviously left now through Egypt. But the British are saying they're standby to help any other evacuees etc.
Speaker 2:Okay, very, very quickly. This is a massive subject For me at the level that I live at. What's international law got to do with scripture? Just very, very briefly, brian. What does that actually mean? In David Cameron, what right and who is he he at the end of the day to speak on behalf of god's people if they have broken the law. What's it got to do with him? What's he going to do about it?
Speaker 1:that's true. That's true. Sometimes you think what is it? And there's a very pretty well-known blogger. Now he?
Speaker 2:yes, yeah, he used to be in hamas.
Speaker 1:Now he's a believer and he's put out a podcast of a vlogcast where you see him saying what's it got to do with you people in all these other nations? This is the Middle East. We sort things out differently here. Yes, and it's very true. It is different. It's a different mindset in the Middle East, despite Israel being a democracy. But actually justice is a very important issue.
Speaker 1:God talks about justice. I get that, and so there must be justice, but actually, in the end, the highest call is almighty god, isn't it? That's exactly right. Israel do something wrong, god will deal with them, because in the law it talks about looking after the widow, looking after the stranger. So ultimately, as believers, we need to say well, god, if israel doing something wrong, then you're going to sort them out, like he will sort me out and you out, and so the highest court will bring proper justice in the end. Got you?
Speaker 2:So international law, the international law has been set up by man, basically.
Speaker 3:What you've got to remember is that Cameron's a globalist and they're all following this globalist agenda right now, so they've pushed God out of it. The global agenda is completely humanist. They've pushed God out of it, so there's no call for God in any of this. They don't pray before they go into meetings no of course not. So they don't really. The Bible means nothing to them. They're just going off how they see, how they are perceived to be, because, don't forget, there's an election coming up this year.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 3:It's how we need to be perceived and how we need to look, and do you know what? There's a lot of Jewish voters out there. And there's a lot of Jewish donors out there as well, got a few quid yeah. So when you say there's another lot of jewish donors out there as well, got a few quid, yeah, so the when you say there's another agenda, ben there is another, there is another.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, the international court of law, if, if right, have I got this right? I can't remember where the scripture is exactly to the pinpoint. The bible says god says to the israelites moses, whoever is an enemy to you, I will be an enemy to them. So when you look at international court law, it is driven by political and HR and all. He's thrown stones at me, he's broke my bones, he's done this, he's done that, but, as we all agree, there is a spiritual agenda that only can be dealt with not by the call of humanity, but by God and anyone. I'm finding it quite interesting that you're hearing a lot of political language. We're sending ships out, america's doing this, I was doing this, we're doing that. Turkey stopped us all this, but it feels to me that the world is scared. Stopped us all this, but it feels to me that the world is scared, but it won't really talk about it. Because do they actually realise that this is a spiritual drive and are they frightened to go in Because we're not actually seeing anyone? It's all hype and chat.
Speaker 3:Ben, look what it says in Psalm 2.
Speaker 2:He ain't got the Bible open again, Brian, has he? What does the Bible?
Speaker 3:say Look at this, it's Psalm 2. It says why do the nations rage and the people plot a vain thing. The kings of the earth set themselves and the rulers take counsel together against the Lord and against his anointed there you go. Let us break their bonds in pieces and cast away their cords from us. He who sits in the heavens shall laugh. So he's seeing all this going on and he's going. He's laughing because he knows that his hand is on the nation of Israel.
Speaker 2:And no one.
Speaker 1:Believe me and no one's going to touch his anointing.
Speaker 2:No one's going to stop it.
Speaker 3:No, no one's going to touch it.
Speaker 2:It's really important, isn't it, for us to understand that there is a big political drive, a big. Our nation is bigger than your nation. We've sent more troops, we're making more noise. It's like table tennis it's backwards and forwards.
Speaker 2:But when I say little Israel, you know what I mean by that. It is holding it because of God is with it. And when you look at what they've done through history, the way they've failed God, the way they listened to all the way from, isn't it all the way through? They've marched, they've made it, they've got through. They've done it because you can't deny that God is with them. And I honestly believe these world leaders, world leaders know that if they actually go against Israel, I honestly believe deep in my spirit that they know that this is, this is not normal war. I think the world actually knows it because there's so much noise around it. When you think the size of Israel, you think, as you tell us, less than 10 million people. If you look at that. I'm not being funny, for God forgive me, but that could be erased quicker than quick, yeah, yeah, small country.
Speaker 2:Gone.
Speaker 3:But if you look back in history and Brian, you've spoken about it is that they've now got a nation, but before they hadn't got a nation, and still, God looked after them, didn't they? Yeah?
Speaker 1:yeah, exactly, dispersed all over the country, all over the world. Rather.
Speaker 3:And so, before they were given this nation, our heavenly father looked after them didn't he?
Speaker 1:He did indeed, through all the persecution and, let's say, not having your own rights, your own land, chased from country to country, every country has expelled the Jews at some point.
Speaker 2:So if you look at refugees, my goodness, when you look at Israel, they've got to be the nation that has been trampled on the most, pushed and pushed out the most, living out of tents, living on heels, nowhere to go. So when I'm thinking about this, like that old saying goes out there, what have the Romans done for us? What has Israel's influence over the world? What is it? What is this that the world has got a bad word against this tiny blot of a grain of sand amongst this normal globe? What is it that they're threatened by? They're threatened by what's in the Bible.
Speaker 3:It is yeah, it's the word of God, isn't it? It's the word of God, perfect. So Jesus came out of the tribe of Israel and he's coming back through them and he's you know, he's coming back to his temple in Jerusalem.
Speaker 2:Amen.
Speaker 3:And you know, hitler tried to and he would have led his troops down to Israel, down to the Holy Land. Hitler tried to and he would have led his troops down to Israel, down to the Holy Land, and tried to, no matter what's happened. It stood firm, that's right yeah, yeah, and what you said earlier, ben and Brian, you'll agree with this. We are like the watchmen. We have to be the watchmen on the wall. We're beds on a swivel, don't we?
Speaker 2:Continually, brian quick-fired stuff. We're not the watchman on the wall, we're beds on a swivel. Don't we Continuously Understand the times? Brian, quick-fired stuff, we're coming to land. You know, we're almost there. In the area of technology, in the area of pharmaceuticals, in the area of finances, how does Israel Israel's very influential, isn't it? It is indeed.
Speaker 1:Technology, agriculture, science and research. The amount of Nobel Prizes, the amount of technology. No one's phone would work without the technology that was developed in Israel, really, but if you work in Israel you can't use a mobile phone, then because that's for all the. And even now I've heard of two companies two of the biggest companies in the world are planning much more investment as to Israel and development and blue chip companies are planning investment in the next year.
Speaker 2:So Israel? We understand it from the biblical. So when we look at what it produces, it influences the world.
Speaker 1:It does. I mean there are countries that benefit from Israeli technology that don't recognise Israel as a country, like Pakistan. Some of the technology used in Pakistan which has saved lives and helped with agriculture, comes from Israel, and yet they haven't, they don't recognise them as a country and places, like in Central Africa, where some of the lakes, the big lakes there, the fishes were dying out, israeli fishing technology was used to restore these lakes so the fish's numbers went up again and desalination and solar panels, stuff like this.
Speaker 3:They're far ahead of many other countries and many countries benefit from their technology very interesting, very interesting, brian, and do you think that I mean, there was, there's an agenda behind why the October massacres took place, and do you think it's backfired a little bit on the Iran and places like that? That? Obviously, I think that they thought that they expected Israel to retaliate and I think they thought hold on a minute, everyone else is going to jump on and this is going to be the start of the end for Israel. But it did not happen like that at all. And so where have you got with the amazing forces of the IDF? They're going in, they're rooting out these terrorists and, as you said, there's still over 100 hostages. Still, because when I was reading the other day, some of these Hamas terrorists went into, but there was about 1,000 people came through the gaps and everyone was taking hostages weren't they?
Speaker 3:They were, yeah, so you know, one of these terrorists said we went into this house and they'd already been taken by someone else. Oh, yeah, yeah, so you had.
Speaker 1:Hamas, you had Palestine Islamic Jihad and you had ordinary Gazan citizens coming through the fence and taking hostages and looting and stealing Really.
Speaker 3:So that happened as well.
Speaker 1:yeah, that happened as well yeah, and some of the hostages were held in the houses of doctors and teachers, people that worked for the UN, ordinary people like you and me were holding hostages in their houses. And it's just. It was a mass attack, wasn't it? Yes, but it's right, it's Iran. That's the whole cynicism. So Iran. So a couple of things. Firstly, hamas said that they attacked because of the Temple Mount. Iran said it was revenge for the killing of their head of their National Revolutionary Army. Whatever the Gag, but it's the whole cynicism of Iran is that they really are using Hamas as a blunt instrument, aren't they? Because they're radicalised. You go and attack Israel and we'll support you. The leaders of Hamas, who live in Qatar and are multi-millionaires, they're alright. They've got their flash cars, they've got their nice houses, their people don't? So many Palestinians are now dying. The children that are dying, the innocent people that are dying in Gaza, are because of Iran, because they initiated this attack. So that's the whole cynicism of it. And why people can't see that, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Yes, you know the troop have been blinded from them, but I think the way that, the amazing way, I think the IDF have got in there and, as you quietly said in a previous podcast, brian Dave, they've done it very specifically, haven't they? Rather than a blanket, you know what they could have done and there is a chance that, once they've rooted out the whole of this thing, the ideology can change. They can get in there, they can change the ideology and there may be a change, a force for good change in Gaza.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's what we hope. So it's all about education, isn't it? It's the same as the Abraham Accords, and the reason the Abraham Accords there's is other reason. But one of the reasons the abraham accords has been successful, you know, this peace deal between some of the arab nations is because of the education. They changed their education system. They took out some of the anti-jewish tropes that were in the schools and the colleges, and so young arab muslim people in those nations have said well, actually, if this isn't true, why don't we just have a peace deal with israel? So that's what the abraham accords is about about education about education.
Speaker 3:yeah, and you know, sadly we have countries around the world which you know want to educate in a different way, but that when you've got powerful countries like saudi arabia, but you know, are all on board with the abraham accords and really want to be on board with the Abram, of course, and really want to be on board more with the world, rather than just a few idealists. Oh yeah, we've got to have this hope.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's no future in radicalism. Terrorism is there.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Most anybody says we'll see that it can't be the way ahead.
Speaker 2:Completely right. You know, brian, we're there. There is nothing new under the sun, brian, and we thank you so much for coming in today and sharing everything. We are so blessed to have you with us. And, brian, where can people find you? Uh, we got one of your newsletters in front of us and just interestingly, look at that, that, that image there that's from obviously one under the tunnels, uh, one of the terrorists loading up the rockets, all that sort of stuff. So this is a great bit of information. You can go onto your website, download all this stuff.
Speaker 1:MarsIsraelorg or MarsIsraeluk.
Speaker 2:Perfect, we're there.
Speaker 3:We made it. No, it's anything, any lasting thing you want to say, Brian, before we click out?
Speaker 1:I think that in this whole issue you've got to keep your heart right before god, because then you react rightly to it. I can get angry, and I have done, but actually our response has to be in love, it has to be in prayer. You know, prayer makes the difference that's it, that's it. What a great way god bless take care.
Speaker 2:Wherever you are today, have a great day in the mighty name of jesus christ. God bless.
