#CST - Fighting Talk - Believers War Room (#FTalk 2)

Reverend Ben Cooper and Simon Pinchbeck take to the Mics to start the next series of discussion for #Christian Straight Talk.

This series of "Fighting Talk" continues with The Believers War Room.

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Transcript

Reverend Ben Cooper: 0:26

Good morning. Good morning, wherever you are today. Thank you so much for joining us. Wherever you are across the world. We thank you so much from the bottom of our heart for sharing and listening to these podcasts that we're doing here. # Christian straight talk. You got Simon Pinchbeck and myself and we just welcome you today. Wherever you are today across the earth. You can find us on Amazon music I Heart Radio, Spotify Buzzsprout, straight out of the barrel of truth. You can go online you can see us in many other areas picking us up in a few places. Places sorry, I should say. The second book is on its way first one is out. #Christian Straight Talk morning Simon.

Simon Pinchbeck: 1:02

morning ben

Reverend Ben Cooper: 1:03

Were in

Simon Pinchbeck: 1:04

its great to be back. A bit windy out there. But we've survived. We got we got got through to passport control

Reverend Ben Cooper: 1:12

got through the passport control got into to Swanley. Are you going to get out? We do not know. So never question. That's a question on its own. Simon. Life's hard, isn't it?

Simon Pinchbeck: 1:24

Life is tough. It's and and the more you get into this Christian life, the tougher it gets spent on it

Reverend Ben Cooper: 1:31

seems really weird and strange times. But with

Simon Pinchbeck: 1:35

that comes victories with that comes a closer relationship. Yeah, with the Father for Jesus Christ. And then really that's what we want to talk about this morning, Ben, the title of, of this set of talks is fighting talk. And really, you can't get into the fight without you getting prepared. So this is something called we're going to call the believers war room or the Warriors band is where we get ready for battle and war room. And the War Room, basically, is on your knees on your face in prayer.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 2:10

So it's coming before the Lord, it's coming for me in prayer and just even in the stillness, isn't it? I find what's interesting in the Scripture is that it mentions that before we've called he's answered, now a lot of people will take that and manipulate that for for material gain when actually it's all spiritual. So even when I'm tired, even when I'm weary, the Scripture says that the Holy Spirit the Spirit intercedes for us. With with moans, and, and words. And with a communication, putting in putting it lightly with without our lips moving. God knows what we need spiritually. But the War Room is a place of just oneness with God isn't it. So even if you go into that war room, and you sit in that chair, or you sit at your desk, or whatever you call that, that private space and you say, God, I'm just, I'm tired.

Simon Pinchbeck: 3:02

I thought your writing has to be a private space. But I think it has to be a space where you really, you it's just you and the Lord. And and whether you do it on your knees, you have to adopt a pose of prayer, really, and I would say, you know, on your face, wherever coming before the Lord and realizing exactly who you are before him and what the relationship is. And it's it's a two way conversation. Ben ain't just one way. So we're not, you know, sitting down babbling out stuff and then getting up and walking away. Because this is your father.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 3:36

That's important, isn't it? Like you're saying, it's not just a shopping list experience? I want I want I want I want I want it, Lord, we help me, we guide me. And then to sit and to be still and over a period of time. Through the Word of God. God speaks through His Word doesn't mean we know we know God gives visions and dreams we get all that sort of stuff. So it's always good to go into this war war room, this position with the Bible.

Simon Pinchbeck: 4:08

The Bible with you because by the way, I don't have it on your phone because you know what happens on your phone, you get distracted, they'll be away now message a message, there'll be an email come in and be awesome as

Reverend Ben Cooper: 4:18

an older just that that that's interesting. You know it we've done it in that we've been in the preaching and all that when some of what you want in this talking. So phones are very distracting on they did terrible especially in in that in a place like that. What so what do I go in with? I'll go in with everything. But nothing. What I mean by that is I go within the Word of God and I leave all the gadgets, I leave everything else and I try to just get into this position of prayer. And I say Father in the name of Jesus helped me focus because another thing as well. Do you ever find that when you go into a war room in a position of prayer, your mind starts wandering?

Simon Pinchbeck: 4:58

Oh yeah, you go very easily. distracted, well, weak people aren't. So was that in that as well? A four or come in. And you got to say, Lord, just take that foot away, because he tells us, you know, we can take our thoughts captive down it we, you know, we can choose what we think, you know. So we've got to be careful that but um, then funds you know, I remember speaking to a church leader who go we had his congregation in like a theater, that's where they met. And there was a screen outside. And we thought it'd be a good idea to put the service on the screen. Until he saw when the camera pan round to everybody who was in the congregation. Most of them were on their phones. Yeah. Now, people have their Bibles on their phones, certainly, but somebody doesn't give a good picture. Do they don't buy a good picture.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 5:51

So why I wonder why we've come away coming off track a little bit. One way we've come away of, I think it's a press of the enemy come away from the paperback version of the Word of God, because there is something so powerful. Simon's got one in front of us. I've got one just down there to my side that we use a paperback version? Because it's correct, isn't it a electronical device is, is a very easy distraction. But when you've got the word of God in front of you, all you got is the word of God. But it's all that you need, isn't it? So that you need? So we go into churches, and we say you got a Bible? Oh, no, we ain't got. We've got a saying about me, though. You can read this about me. The Bible is critical for awardspace.

Simon Pinchbeck: 6:33

I think your Bible is Yeah. And the notebook really, because, you know, the Lord is going to say things to you, and you're going to feel things, you're going to direct you to certain scriptures. And if you don't record them, then they're easily forgotten. Oh, nice.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 6:49

Yeah. So talking about a bit of journaling, going on a bit of writing down making a few notes, and just making a few points. So a prayer spaces and opportunities in it to draw aside and to take time out and to meet with God. It's like a, an area that is just dedicated, where you can go and pry you can be still. And it's just an area. And I think the area is just recognizing that I'm going into that position.

Simon Pinchbeck: 7:15

I think you're 100% Correct. It's something you don't have to prepare for you just you're there.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 7:20

You know what, you could use your car, your van Kenya, as long as you've got a private that's that's that quiet space? And

Simon Pinchbeck: 7:26

I would say, you know, don't not worry. He can pray obviously, while you're driving. And of course, you can you know, and great things happen. But there has to be a time when it's just total concentration. Yeah. on you and Atharva and you and Jesus and feeling what the Holy Spirit has to be that time now. If you can, I'll say, make it early in the morning. So it if you can, you know, some people can't. But let's go into the Bible. Bang on a minute.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 8:03

We got a Bible. We have a Bible in the church. I'm sorry, I'm so flippant sometimes. So prayer space is a very important space. And now Simon is going to open up the Word of God. And we thank God for the power of prayer. Don't we?

Simon Pinchbeck: 8:17

Also say it in Matthew six. Ben, what is Jesus says on the Sermon on the Mount? Yeah, let's look at this before we comment on it. I'll take it from the top. In Matthew six. He talks about deeds and then he goes on to prayer. And first of all, he says Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men to be seen by them otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven, which is well so they're not getting a lot of reward from the stuff they're doing. Yeah. Therefore when you do a terrible deed do not sound a trumpet before you do not put it on the internet do not do not it doesn't say that and there but is typical for the day's thing. Do not shout about it on Facebook or put it on YouTube. Yeah. Before for you as the hypocrites in the synagogues in the streets and they have they have got their they already get their reward. They have their glory, amen. Surely I say to you, they have their reward. But when you do a charity to not let your left hand know what your right hand is, yeah, that your shareable deed may be in secret, and your Father who sees in secret will himself reward you openly. Now on that right on our backend and Jesus goes into saying this. And when you pray, you shall you shall not be like the hypocrites. And he uses that word a lot hypocrite now he does use a lot. Yeah. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Surely I say to you, they already have their reward. But you when you pray go into your room. And when you have Shut the door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. Your father who sees what you do, the secret will reward you

Reverend Ben Cooper: 10:13

open. So that's verse six in the references, verse six of Matthew chapter six, but when you pray, go into your room. So it's a designated area of just quiet Ness with no distractions with no gadgets, no TVs on the wall, no radio play, just just a space that so you're recognizing that I'm committing this time I'm committing, I'm handing this over to the Father, it says that then your Father, who sees what is done in secret will will reward you or it's upside down, isn't it? So we use social media to go. I'm announcing what I'm doing to the world by announcing what I do to the world that I think that God's calling me to do. It's upside down, it's runaway out. I shouldn't be telling look. Look at David, I think King David the shepherd boy, David, we didn't know that you fought bears and lions. We didn't know what he had done, until he actually spoke about it. So there's things and stuff that goes on in secret isn't know that no one knows about until a set time, but you will find that that step time is after the event has taken place. How did you get to this journey? Well, I used to spend two hours a day in prayer I for for 10 years. I didn't mention anything I just, I just pushed in a quiet space. Because that's faith, isn't it going into a room not looking for any social media likes not put in? I'm going into prayer now guys, I'm doing this, I'm doing that. We put everything out on display, when actually, the charity, charitable and spiritual should be done in choir. And I'm not talking about church services. I'm talking about the personal connection with the Father.

Simon Pinchbeck: 11:59

But sadly, the world does it in a world shouts and the world where we are at this moment in time. The world shouts wants you to shout about everything you do everything. Yeah. So the world wants you to shout about, you know, this is what you're achieving. This is what you're doing. But you said now, he said now, he says, go into this quiet room. He said, speak to the Father. Speak to the Father. And it's exactly what Jesus did. Because if you look in Mark, yeah. He says he said it early in the morning before anyone was out. Yes, he was out. He was out. He was talking to his father. That's right. So He is our example, isn't he?

Reverend Ben Cooper: 12:54

So I've, yeah. So if I'm looking. Now, another interesting thing that somebody brought up is the conversation about prayer. People will say, I don't actually know what to pray. But a little bit further on in verse nine. And what we're looking at Christ gives us this model prayer, doesn't he? So I don't need to go into this war space don't need to go into this place that I'm calling a prayer closet, a certain area, we just mean God with, with a load of, of of like a shopping list, because what Christ says in Matthew chapter six, verse seven, and when you pray, do not keep keep on babbling like pagans. I've been in prayer meetings, and I've been I've been a pagan, prior. Pagan babbler. Yeah. babbling, babbling, babbling, babbling for the sake of making a noise.

Simon Pinchbeck: 13:44

Very good point. Very interesting point, I'll be doing the same things. And and, you know, why are you saying that? Are you saying that because you want to be heard and want to be you. But he says, he says, Don't do that.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 14:02

Don't do that. Look, he says in the scripture, he says, And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans for they think they will be heard because of their many words. My goodness gracious me.

Simon Pinchbeck: 14:13

And, you know, you said to a little bit earlier, you said, Oh, I pray every morning for two hours. Well, you know, the thing is just in the passing comment. That's right. Yeah. I don't think you need to pray for two hours, I think 10 minutes a quality praise

Reverend Ben Cooper: 14:30

is your turn pro. That was just an analogy. And I find, as Simon is saying, that it's literally Father, can you help me today? Please? Can you take the temptation? Can you take the fear, can you can you help me to think right, can you can you please, because the less of the words you're going directly to that place that you've got to get to but if I'm like a pagan, in a prayer meeting, and we've all been in prayer meetings and me especially I have led prayer meetings where I've almost written the prayers out and trigger points and words. And I could babble, I can talk for the best of us, let alone pray. And now I'm realizing not I'm not saying that God doesn't listen. But what all this stuff is very challenging because God says, Don't babble. Don't make a noise for the sake of making a noise. I know your heart. I see what you want. So just be still an ask.

Simon Pinchbeck: 15:30

Don't use 20 words until doba. Yeah,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 15:34

exactly, isn't it?

Simon Pinchbeck: 15:35

And the thing is, you know, so, if people go, Well, you know, that's great. But how do I pray? Well, the first thing in my mind that should come out your mouth is praise and worship to the Lord. Yeah, certainly, much he means to you tell him much that you're not worthy to receive him. But you know, through His Son Jesus, saying to him, you know, don't look at me in the flesh. Look at me through Jesus, because we're all

Reverend Ben Cooper: 16:03

sinners on my own. Oh, Cinnabon falling short of His glory. And I love that fact. Yeah,

Simon Pinchbeck: 16:09

we should be praising him, you know, turn him out what we think and how grateful we are to Him for His grace, His mercy these patients. And then we need to ask for forgiveness, don't we? Oh, you know, we need to ask for forgiveness. So

Reverend Ben Cooper: 16:25

you want me to go into prayer space with a Bible and ask for forgiveness? Yes. Isn't it simple? Father, forgive me, Lord, I've sinned. Lord, I've said, I've done I've thought I've gone to blah, blah, blah, and Lord, I've got arrogance. I've got pride, whatever it may be, it doesn't matter. Because that's the beauty of it is you are in a safe space. Because you're in that prayer place. So you can be completely honest without the church folk going. They sent a pastor Ben. All What did he think the other day we thought he was a leader. It's saying, we thought it was completely holy. He comes in church floating on His holy segway every Sunday. Wrong, i come in with a skip or come in with a baggage with everything. And it's, it's this is what is so beautiful about the Word of God. He knows our hearts, He knows our thoughts. He knows our traits. He knows the temptations, He knows our fears. He knows our worries. And he is just saying just come into that place. Just come into that place and sit and be still. Open the word open my word, let that word speak.

Simon Pinchbeck: 17:31

And, and there's nothing more that a father likes than you turn him Maci son means to you. So you we can tell. Father, thank You for Jesus. Thank you for giving us Jesus because without Jesus when nothing, you know, he died for us see the rose again, to say was an acceptance he led us to the Father for men, we have access to the Father. He separated us from the world and he's coming again in glory or Jeju live in New Delhi is

Reverend Ben Cooper: 18:05

I haven't no churches preach on that one. Simon is coming to judge the living and the dead. Have you got the right Bible? I thought was gonna be absolutely jumping up and down. When he comes back for us.

Simon Pinchbeck: 18:15

Save me Save me. No, I'm afraid he's not going to come to save us come to charge the living dead. That's what, that's what the Scripture tells us. So that developing that intimate relationship and you know, for some people, the word intimate might, you know, might be a

Reverend Ben Cooper: 18:35

strange word. I've

Simon Pinchbeck: 18:37

got to form an intimate relationship. But it's a close relationship is a father son, father daughter relationship. That's right, that we're trying to develop here. And what that does that will enable the father if you come with a right heart, wow, right spirit if you come with a Reinhardt and rice, but you don't have a father still working you for His purpose.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 19:02

So it goes randomness circle, doesn't it? So you come into this prayer place you bring, you bring all your baggage, you don't be frightened of sharing anything. You're just saying, Father, forgive me and as an overtime, and you open, gotta be careful you say this every year, because we're living in very usual times and people can manipulate words. When I say you open yourself up to the Father, you are being vulnerable, but you're not vulnerable because he's already got you. So you've got to be careful because there are certain pressures out there that talk about your body is a gateway, and your body is a gateway to certain areas of life. But what we're talking about is being open and honest before the Father and saying Dear God, in the name of Jesus, I thank you for our worship you I praise you. And as you worship and praise Him and as you confess and you bring everything to him is an interesting when you think when you come into this private space that you've not gone before a priest and put your washing on the line for him to judge you and tell you what to do. He says just me And you, me and you. It's what

Simon Pinchbeck: 20:03

Jesus, as accomplished as when he died on the cross. That curtain was talking to one, it's, you know, and we all remember, in the film, a great story ever told John Wayne is a century ago, and that truly was the Son of God. And so, we've got access, we have the access through Jesus eyes to the from

Reverend Ben Cooper: 20:29

that Simon Oh, that's amazing what you said. But also when you when you say access, there are ministries out there are abusing the word access to doesn't it because they say we have access to the Father. And then they use the the manipulating of preaching and motivational speaking. And they will make it sound like that you've got that access for materialism, and for health and wealth, and the prosperity gospel. So you got we got to be careful, haven't we? Because we have access. But it's only the access for the will of the Father.

Simon Pinchbeck: 21:06

Yeah, totally. Not not. You don't bring your shopping list. Yeah. That's the truth. And you got to be careful to that. There's no man that can give you access to Amen. Amen. No, man, no, no,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 21:24

no one. No human being. No false idol. Nothing can give you access. Who gives us access? Jesus says, I am. The way the truth and the life and the life. Yeah, no one comes to the Father. except through me.

Simon Pinchbeck: 21:42

So no industry? No, no church, no, these are all places and things that maybe can develop that. But where the rubber meets the road is in the private place in your place and your special men's Yes. When you're you know, wherever, wherever it is, you get up early in the morning. And I say it's getting up worth getting up a little bit earlier when no one's around, just get in your face, and do the business with the Lord for the day. Because that's when you prepare yourself. You know, that's when you know, you can use Ephesians. Yeah. And put on the full armor of God. That's why you can you can get yourself all fired up for the day, before you even step out the house. You're ready. Yeah. Have that relationship with a father and father? Probably going to die? Do you know? Yeah, that is what, where the father wants you to come to?

Reverend Ben Cooper: 22:40

Yeah, interesting points in Trent really. But but it's simple, isn't it? It's not, I'm thinking of certain cultures that, that make such a massive event of pagan noise and loud chanting and just chant and then you get into trance, then you get into you get into that mantra. So just because it's labeled out as prayer meeting 24 hour prayer and fasting, we have to really be careful of who the leaders are. And what I'm going into, because is that really for God? Or is it a cultural trend? Is it is it got historical stuff, because when you look at what we're looking at Christ is just given us the major key to everything. But look how short the Lord's Prayer is? Isn't it's not going to take 24 hours, is it? And he says don't go into our place? And babble? And you've been in some prayer meetings, and they sound quite satanic, aren't they? Oh, this chance. And this, you can feel the vibe? You can? It is, and you think oh my God is

Simon Pinchbeck: 23:49

the Lord into things that yeah, he shouldn't have anything to do with you know, so yeah, you've got to be you have to be very careful is, you know,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 23:58

so the safeguard what I'm trying to get to, is the safeguard for any believer is not go to Yes, we got to go to prayer meetings, but I do this at home, I might have a place at work, I might have a place in the garden, I might have a place somewhere I can go and it's just me and the father, me and the Father and the Father.

Simon Pinchbeck: 24:20

What I'd say and I don't know whether I'm being controversial in this at all men, but I'd say congregational prayer meetings are not a place for your own private thoughts. No. So this is this is this is

Reverend Ben Cooper: 24:35

this is normal. This is an individual. Yeah. And then I suppose if you've got someone that is confident that you can go Do you know what, let's just pray together. Yes. I fully believe that. I understand that because the reason I get that is because Christ is speaking to the individual here. But as you look at the individual, we are the body so he's saying going to the quiet space. There's a time for it. Let's say corporate prayer over corporate, where we probably were praying a blanket prayer, but there's a time for obviously, people will come in the church. And when the Spirit of God moves on them, they will throw everything out, which is fine. But some people won't. The Scripture actually says, do what you're doing in the sacred place, a sacred

Simon Pinchbeck: 25:21

place. And that's where you develop that intimate relationship with Jesus, you. How can you develop an intimate relationship when there's like, 2030 other people and

Reverend Ben Cooper: 25:30

and the thing is, is yes, right. And the thing is, as well, not everyone in that room is for you. So when you're in that room, air in your washing on the line, someone will go to you later on down the line. Do you know what there was? Determined perimeter and so you got to be very careful, you got to be not that you've got anything to hide? Who you share, and who you trust?

Simon Pinchbeck: 25:53

And also, you know, we have a culture, social media, really, everything's going on, on WhatsApp or whatever. And people are asking for prayer all the time on can you pray Really? Really? The Bible tells us, you know, if one or two just two people coming my name, amen. Yeah. So, you know, the amount of times you see, oh, can you pray for me? I'm going to have an exam or I'm going to do this and then on it, bravo, you know, on my knees, but no, you know, no. Comes up of praying hands. Yeah, I'm with you, brother. No, no, no, no, just gonna carry on doing whatever you're

Reverend Ben Cooper: 26:33

doing. So there's another interesting point there, isn't it? When someone says can you pray for me? Yes, of course, I will. Brother. It's like

Simon Pinchbeck: 26:41

you got our thing. You know, in life you've got offered us some really close friends. And you know, if you need prayer for something in your life, or someone else's life that that's associated with you, I think you just contact those people and go look, yeah, we can you pray for some so can you pray for me for this? Just you know, and then that's fine. I you called you called your trusted people that you know, into, but if you put a blanket thing out, you're going to get so many people and all these people are praying for them. Now. They're not. Yeah, they're no, my friend. Because people don't have the time. They'll they'll respond all the time. I've got one guy on the on Facebook might put something out it just three little prayers or come up. No, well, what does that mean?

Reverend Ben Cooper: 27:29

I mean, it means I'm busy. And I've just clicked into social media. Is prayer is the most powerful weapon that will destroy the work of the enemy. Not because now I've got to be careful, I say that the enemies work has already destroyed because of the cross a Calvary, I'm saved by grace. But there comes a point where, where I've got to be stripped back of everything. And I do believe God is stripping back many people in the church and prayer, the corporate prayer room, the corporate environment, the stadium prayer, the mass hysteria as well, when the noise is being stripped back. And this is what's happening. I believe God is bringing us back to the beginning of what prayer should be the quiet space, that not the lonely place, because you got the Trinity, you've got the deity with you. So I do believe that God, and this is a good good opportunity, because lockdown has given us that is just have a few moments, as Simon has said and just coming before the Father because interestingly, how does Christ open up the Lord's Prayer? Our father is gone, isn't it? This is done.

Simon Pinchbeck: 28:43

If you want No, please look, in the in the Gospels and see, just have a look. See what Jesus did it what he did. He put that he put that relationship with the father first six key, isn't it? It's key. Jesus said nothing without consulting the father.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 29:02

I can do nothing without the father. But I am the father, oh, one word that one out for a moment. So he's recognizing that the Father is the Godhead, but also he is the son. But then he's bringing adoption into that which is mind blowing in itself, because Christ is the image of the invisible God. So if this Christ our God, our King is the image of the invisible God. And then if he gives us this model prayer, in Matthew chapter six, from verse nine, through two ran about 14, he says, Our Father, hallowed be thy name, that flattens Lucifer, that just destroys everything, doesn't it?

Simon Pinchbeck: 29:49

And the thing is, you know, the east, there is a instruction of how to pray. And you don't just repeat that our Father in heaven that is not that is not the communication, that is an instruction in how to pray. And the thing is, Jesus said it. And Jesus did it on his face before his father, on his face before his father. And he said them was spent in the garden. He said, Not my will, but Your will be done. And that's where we've got a contest where we've come to it and asked where we've got to come to. And what, to me, is a great place. If we're if you and you find if you thought you'll find some place where you can go Mike away, I'm sure if there's no way, you know, and look outside the box, if you're, if you're living with a number of people or whatever, look outside, but you'll find a place to go. But it's a great place to commit your life to the Father to commit your life to Jesus every single day, really. So it's a recommitment to that to the Lord Father, I'm yours. Not my will, but you do with me what you want. And, you know, we're not asking him for a whole list of stuff. We're just saying, Father, I just need you. I just need you. I can do nothing without you. I just need you. Wow, thank you for your grace. Thank You for Your Mercy. Thank you for your patience. I just need to I love you. I love you so much. You are number one in my god, I love you. And need you just direct my path. While trusting you

Reverend Ben Cooper: 31:31

with all my heart. This changes every day of prayer, doesn't it? Because for so long, Simon in the church has put so much weight on us. And me as a leader. Prayer means I've got to be long, they got to be noisy. They got to be shouting You got we all are in all types. You know, we've all been there sat down, done it and with the character that I am, that doesn't help things at all. But well, I'm just looking as time has been speaking, I've been looking at the Lord's Prayer, social, but so powerful says it all been that if Jesus gave me this model, and all of us, why do I need to get a book on prayer outside written by men? Why don't I need to get a manual on 101 ways to pray? Why have I got to listen to these cultural trends of all this stuff. When I've got the Lord's Prayer, this is how you should pray. He says it in verse nine of Matthew chapter six. This then is how you should pray Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. So

Simon Pinchbeck: 32:33

the first thing we do is we praise the Lord, we praise our father.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 32:37

And Olivia, Praise You, God praise you. Because

Simon Pinchbeck: 32:41

as we said before, you can't take your next breath without the father saying, you know, he's giving you everything, everything you've got is come from the Father. So we just want to praise him and tell him how much we love him. We want to develop that personal relationship and have a heart for God. And put Him first.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 33:05

So what you're saying, Simon is, God is the center. He's the father. And then on the outside of that we see Christ on the outside and everything that Christ said, he said, Your will be done. I can do nothing without the Father. So if we make the Father This, this might sound a little bit strange. Well, of course, but but I don't believe please forgive me. You know, I'm saying the ball Brusha the church is telling us and showing us the way to the Father. Because if if I was shown how to get to the Father, I've got everything.

Simon Pinchbeck: 33:42

Totally. And that you know if if you listen to some we've said it before you know we, we lack really good teachers. But if you listen, listen to some great teachers like Derrick Prince and people like that. They'll tell you that. The treasure isn't finding Jesus. Now the treasure is let Jesus lead you to the Father.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 34:07

Because Jesus is the way he's the way he's away but the father is Christ. So love of the Father the love of the Father. So when you put it all together, I think what's really interesting is studying Christ ology, to understand who Christ is, because then you see his sovereignty, his power, every everything that is the father and the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. So when when I, when I study, and I look at Christ, and I'd work all this stuff out, I've got everything in Jesus. Jesus is the father, with the power of the Holy Spirit. So with the deity that Godhead, I have absolutely everything so in all fairness, I don't need another manual on prayer. Do dive just need the relationship With the Father,

Simon Pinchbeck: 35:02

if I can put it this way, then it's like you've got a huge crowd of people 20 3040 100. And you're right on the outside. And the father is in a place beyond those people you can't get through. You can't get through, you can't get a stewards best. Some they're stopping you. The police are in riot gear, they're stopping you, everything stopping you. And then you look behind, you get tapped on the shoulder. And Jesus comes in front of you. And as Jesus walks, the crowd, just pops, crowd pops, and you're into the throne room before the night.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 35:46

So So, so walking with Jesus gives us access to the throne room. So Jesus is the is the access. Jesus is the RR don't you gotta be very careful your word things. Jesus is the arrow that will punch through the crowd. So if I keep behind Christ, keep inquiry wise, Oh, Jesus. He was going to take me to one place to to the Father. So it says in Hebrews chapter two, Hebrews chapter 12, verse two, keep your eyes on the author and perfecter of your faith. Keep your eyes on Jesus, keep your eyes on Jesus.

Simon Pinchbeck: 36:27

We owe Jesus everything. And that's why we should give praise to Jesus in front of the Father. Amen. Because the Father loves his son. And he just loves it when we love his son too. We owe Jesus everything, you know, he, he, he died for our sin, our sin put him on a cross. Amen. Yeah. So he died for our sin that he rose again, to save us. But not only say was, he accepts us. And if you allow him, it will lead to the Father, He will lead you to father because if you read the gospels, he did nothing without consoling the father. And he went away to a surgery place where he and the Father could speak.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 37:15

Yeah. And he left the three, he left the three sitting on the sidelines. Sometimes we got to leave the free and the more sitting on the sidelines and just go in and seek the Father. Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and everything else shall be added unto thee.

Simon Pinchbeck: 37:30

It's not rocket science, but it's it's simple. Simple.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 37:34

So so what I do now is i i Look at Christ I study Christ, Christ relationship with the Father. That's all that's needed. I don't need another manual. spend another 5000 pounds in going on a court doing this doing that all I need to do but my relationship is already right with the Father because He saved me by grace.

Simon Pinchbeck: 37:57

He looks at you through Jesus once you have J looks at you fruit juice, but he wants more than that. He wants you to come to him. Yeah, fruit a Jesus was made the white uniform. Yeah, and we know many people correlate their, their relationship with with their Heavenly Father through their relationship with earthly father but follow Jesus.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 38:22

Follow, follow, follow, follow, follow Jesus, He will take you to one place we've said it he will take you to one place and one place only the Father's arms, the father arms. And actually when you follow Jesus, you're following

Simon Pinchbeck: 38:33

God, you're following God. Yeah. So he

Reverend Ben Cooper: 38:37

so all all I need to do, all I need to do is keep my eyes on Jesus keep myself in the Word of God. And, and, and even on a private study time to study the relationship. The example we see between Christ and the Father of the communication line, I can't do anything without my father. Your will be done. Your your purpose, your plan, the Father's will, the Father's will. The Father's will. Jesus

Simon Pinchbeck: 39:07

is our example. We owe him absolutely everything can you know you get a few people that go home? First thing I need when I get up in the morning is a cup of coffee, you know? And that's great. I mean, you know, I love coffee in the best of times, but we need to get hooked on cheeses, coffee or anything else. We need to get hooked on him. Because he is the way he is so why the truth no partner Why are you lazy to ally leads you to his father. You know he will present you to his father. He has been father is he's been coming to see you today.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 39:43

He's here. He's here.

Simon Pinchbeck: 39:45

And the Father will go.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 39:46

Come on Ben, the protocol. Isn't that interesting with the protocol, the Father, the Father, the protocol, the protocol sons, the Father's arms. It says even before the sun came to his senses and made his decision I go back, the father see that he was on his return anyway. So the father has everything wrapped up, dealt with sorted out, but it got a micro step, I'm coming at the moment,

Simon Pinchbeck: 40:13

and he is a two way is a two is a two way conversation, then when you get to the Father, you know, because you might not think you're worthy enough, you might not think you're, you know, you're good enough or whatever. But Jesus is made that way. And the thing is, the father sees you through Jesus, and listen to what he's got to say to you. I listen to what he's got to say to you, because he will say, you know, you're my son, you're my daughter, and I love you so much. But he will say, we don't want you involved in that stuff you're involved in, you will get that feeling that sense that some of the stuff that you're involved in, you've got to drop, you've got to let go.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 40:56

And that's the power of the Holy Spirit, isn't it the advocate. The next one, it's all comes together back because you've got the deities, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. So it's seeking Christ. It's walking with Christ being being a believer, not a churchgoer, not and just trusting God. And the more you trust Him, the more you walk with Him, the more you realized failings, the more you realize that the issues that are around you, but the more you seek the farther the more God will reveal to the challenges of life because he is holy. He says, Be holy, because I am holy. So so by seeking the father and coming to Christ, what it does, it froze open so many things as well, but nothing to worry about, because it's all been now to the cross. But it's the realization and reality of as Paul right, so wretched man, am I why do I do two things I hate and I and I can't do the things that I should. So the physical body realizes that there is Eternal God, and many will experience that they might find that as they seek Christ more and as they look for the Father, that there but they feel very strange that is not because there is a separation, because nothing can separate from the love of God. It's the body and the mind and the physical me realizing that he is so holy, He is so holy and so powerful. And by grace, we have been saved.

Simon Pinchbeck: 42:27

And I mean that that grace thing is absolutely phenomenal. And but it's the grace is undeserved favor. So God cannot wink at sin. He can't ignore sin. So if you're involved in sin, or you're involved, or you look like you're going down that route, God can't be involved in that. And that's why he will say, leave it alone. Dropping, leave eviction. That's why Ben, this is the believers war. This is where you prepare for the day. That's why we take one day at a time we can't, we can't can we covered the land can comp plan. You can't plan Ben. So we take one day at a time. And you're right, right, the start we said we go into the war room with the Bible, the Bible, the Bible is God's battle plan for us, I men. And if you don't listen, if you're in the army, or you don't listen to your general, you go off rogue, it don't work your guard go off rogue off track all of a sudden and do your own thing. It's not gonna work. Stay in the battle lines in the battle guides. Stay with the camera, the leader say with the general stay with Christ, your eyes on him, and just filled them up. So the father round you. We need the guidance of our father. Yeah, and even more so these days. We need the guidance of we're in

Reverend Ben Cooper: 43:54

a nation. We're a nation of over. We're lacking fathers aren't we? We're lacking fathers.

Simon Pinchbeck: 44:00

If you let the father if you have a conversation with a father, he'll tell you who he thinks you are. He will tell you what you are. Because he wanted you're a warrior, a warrior. I will tell you your warrior, you're my son your motto. In you on well pleased. This is what we're going to do. We're going to do great things. If you put me first if you

Reverend Ben Cooper: 44:23

put me first, say it. It's all about. It's all about knowing the father about farm and farm. What's important to get is that people might say, well, it's too big for me is too big for every one of us because God reveals. Paul writes very clearly that this gospel is a mystery to the human being, but by revelation or knowledge God reveals at his time, so I haven't actually got a worry about knowing Genesis to Revelation Jesus is just believe so I believe Leave. And so when I go into the prayer room, I believe from Genesis to Revelation, I believe in the fundamental points of Christianity, I believe that He is the King of kings and the Lord, I believe He died on the cross. For me, I believe in sanctification. I believe that God is sovereign. And as I get these fundamental points that the church generally are not preaching, I suddenly realize there is a relationship that was formed between me and my father, without working at it. Because God reveals it.

Simon Pinchbeck: 45:30

God reveals that Yeah, I mean, and it's a relationship developed through his son Jesus Christ, amen. By following his Son, Jesus Christ, you know, people will go, I want to know what the God's plan is, for me. I want to know my destiny, what your destiny is to follow Jesus and get as close to him as you can. Yeah. So the Father looks on you completely. As he looks on, Jesus. Ben, this is so important, I believe, for any believer to have a war room to develop that relationship with Jesus to lay and lead you to the Father, to have that conversation with the Father. This is the answer. This is the answer. Why is it so important? Jesus said it. Jesus said it. Yeah. Say if it wasn't so important, would he know he not only said it, he did

Reverend Ben Cooper: 46:21

it. That's, that's another that's another subject isn't it? He done it. We've done it. He done it. He was obedient. He didn't waver to the left nor the right. He just stayed in the plan. He was the plan he is declare, whatever way you look at it. He stuck to his own plan. And what was that plan the plan of redemption for all of our all of us, and redeemed, and the

Simon Pinchbeck: 46:50

most amazing thing is that everyone can have that relationship with the Father through Jesus.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 46:57

And why can I have it? Because he gives it he is the one that gives?

Simon Pinchbeck: 47:03

It's what the fathers wanted. Man to come woman to come back to. Yeah, from since the garden. So yes, right in the garden, the first,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 47:14

the first fall in point, the redemption plan, the plan of hope it was already predestined before Adam and Eve were created. You can find that so clearly. This God stuff is big, isn't it? It's enormous, huge

Simon Pinchbeck: 47:29

Ben. And of course, it's huge, because we got a massive God and we but the thing is, is not complicated. The way that we look at it is not complicated, because God want right from Adam wanted man to come back to him the farm. And he used his son Jesus, to make that. So simple for us. But it's so difficult. It's so difficult accepting Jesus Christ, as your Lord and Savior getting on your face. Men, many people, you know, I've heard it said, you know, don't get on the neater note. Button, I need to know what

Reverend Ben Cooper: 48:07

But isn't it interesting that the mat as we're bringing this to a close Simon mentioned, I'm not going to quote the Scripture. He has the greatest name, the name above all names. And at the name of Jesus, every knee shall bow on the earth under the authority of every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. But isn't it interesting? How of the last number of months year may be that there's been a certain movement that has been trying to get us to bow the knee?

Simon Pinchbeck: 48:35

Yeah, no, yeah, no, is a worldly movement.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 48:39

Very interesting, isn't it? Everything is global now. Global bow in the knee. Globalization, save the planet. So we can see everything Can't we bring in us to a place of of this this antichrist. So when we know that might be a bit of a strange thing to finish on. So what I'm trying to get to is, there is only one name that we bow to and at the name of Jesus so it's Jesus isn't it is Jesus there's two which gives us access to the Father. As soon as I get to Jesus into the father, I got the Holy Spirit

Simon Pinchbeck: 49:16

and all that combination Jesus will set you free from that world

Reverend Ben Cooper: 49:21

Yeah, well they all want us to bring you to do tend to be

Simon Pinchbeck: 49:25

the world stuff because it's pushed God out of the world so it's makes its own gods and a lot of time we make sure little God but Jesus as as smash that two bases so you just follow Jesus keep your eyes on Jesus. Lately you to the Father.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 49:43

Enormous. Absolutely. Some we've hit the button. Where there were there. Were there.

Simon Pinchbeck: 49:49

Well, we can talk. This is a subject we can talk. Talk on because it's so important.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 49:55

What message prayer,

Simon Pinchbeck: 49:57

the War Room. You Under for not you and

Reverend Ben Cooper: 50:02

not you and you and you, your own diety. It is so easy. There is an assignment. It's not complicated

Simon Pinchbeck: 50:09

and whatnot. I'll reiterate to anyone listening out there. We're not talking about hours on your on your phone now we're talking about quality time. And

Reverend Ben Cooper: 50:18

yeah. So if anybody wants that prayer that we spoke about, it wasn't written by Simon it wasn't written by me it wasn't written by any Bishop. It was written in one of the Synoptic Gospels, Matthew chapter six, and it is from verse nine through to 14, the most powerful is prayer. Humanity could ever pray. Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name, your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debtors. As we also forgive those that against us, lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For you are, he's the king isn't a recipe. We've made it. We've reached it. And Simon, thank you so much. Ben, thank you so much. God, we love you. It's been so good. Thank you to everybody here. Hashtag Christian straight talk. And the title of today's podcast is the believers warum you can find us on Amazon music, I Heart Radio, Spotify Buzzsprout on all the other social media platforms. But although we say follow us like us, we don't mean follow us and like us as gods. We say. Just just just follow us and just see what your comments are. But you've got to follow Jesus. Yeah. 100% done. All finished. God bless. Amen. Good night.