Reverend Ben Cooper and Simon Pinchbeck take to the Mics for a general discussion, #Christian Straight Talk, straight out of the barrel of truth.
This weeks discussion is The Power of your Story for God's Glory.
Listen on Apple Music, Amazon Music, I Heart Radio, Buzzsprout, Spotify, and multiple other Podcast platforms - you will find us under the title Reverend Ben Cooper's Podcast.
Reverend Ben Cooper and Simon Pinchbeck take to the Mics for a general discussion, #Christian Straight Talk, straight out of the barrel of truth.
This weeks discussion is The Power of your Story for God's Glory.
Listen on Apple Music, Amazon Music, I Heart Radio, Buzzsprout, Spotify, and multiple other Podcast platforms - you will find us under the title Reverend Ben Cooper's Podcast.
God bless you wherever you are. Thank you so much for sharing everything that we're doing here. This is#Christian straight talk. You're listening to Simon Pinchbeck and myself, Reverend Ben Cooper. Good morning. Good afternoon, wherever you are today. Please share all this stuff out straight out the barrel of truth. Simon has bought an interesting title across the mics today, the power of your story for God's glory, whoo low. This is the day that the Lord has made, I shall rejoice and be glad we're going to dive straight into the Word of God. Because that's what we are about. It's not about me. It's not about Simon, it is about Jesus. Is it about Jesus? Or is it about me, my story
Simon Pinchbeck:not about but it's great to be back and across the mics again. #Christian straight talk, and we welcome everyone who's come on. And we say thank you to everyone who's listening out there because we believe in the Lord speaking from us, and we believe that is the word is strong for us. I believe and, and we believe that everyone's got a story. You know,
Reverend Ben Cooper:everybody's got a story.
Simon Pinchbeck:And it's the truth. I've got a particular story that people seem to want to hear. And for over the years, I've been all over the place you and telling my story and but there again, I said, it's my story, then that is a story of Jesus. Jesus thought for a long time, I thought it was my story.
Reverend Ben Cooper:And that's the thing isn't That's the deal. That's the deal. What's your testimony? Well, Jesus did. But then suddenly, it's all about me, me, me, live feed in the flesh, even in in the story that should be about him. Jesus set us free. It's quite interesting in someone's testimony, how suddenly Jesus is mentioned at the very beginning, and then suddenly, it's just it's like, blowing smoke somewhere in the person, isn't it? It's like, elevating the person even more
Simon Pinchbeck:100% You know, and if I, if I look back, my testimony that I've given, it can be summed up in three words, but all about me,
Reverend Ben Cooper:all about me, me, myself. And I,
Simon Pinchbeck:yeah, because it's, I was this way I was that way. Oh, and then I saw met Jesus.
Reverend Ben Cooper:And then I went down.
Simon Pinchbeck:It's all about me with Jesus. You
Reverend Ben Cooper:know, isn't it interesting that, that you can be born again, filled with the Spirit God is with you got to save this got to set us free. But there's still this earth so that we love to blow up all day long, isn't it? The flesh, the ego, the mind, the pride of life? You know, it runs through the Freder church, and it's the latest hashtag, it's all about me.
Simon Pinchbeck:Is and it's all about me. Do you think? Do you feel that the church loves an automatic testimony?
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah. And then a little bit gets added on the end of it. And then suddenly, by the end of the year, I become a karate expert that has fought its way for Afghanistan, done all this stuff when nothing's really happened.
Simon Pinchbeck:Now you've probably had one lesson download the shader
Reverend Ben Cooper:to scare the guy in the door.
Simon Pinchbeck:Your mom bought us. So
Reverend Ben Cooper:in the interest in the story,
Simon Pinchbeck:the story Yeah, the story the church loves this dramatic story
Reverend Ben Cooper:Tell us more about you. You certainly we're being pumped up with the words of worshippers worship in our oh, this is me, they love me, they love me.
Simon Pinchbeck:And I've got to confess it, you know, it happened to me.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Simon, it happens to everybody. Come on.
Simon Pinchbeck:But I'll just explain. You know, I was down at Trinity Brompton, did the Alpha course they did a big spread on me. And I was up on a stage Nicky Gumbel interviewing me and then a month later or the next Alpha course, and other people out there and I'm looking I'm thinking about me when it's not as dramatic as my story is better. Yeah, that's what you that's why it's better if you're not careful. That's what you get dragged behind.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So my story's better. Well hang on a minute. This. It's all about Jesus.
Simon Pinchbeck:It's nothing about us. It's all about
Reverend Ben Cooper:it's lovely having a testimony, isn't it? But what is the point of having a testimony if it's not about Jesus, there's a talk about me do I really didn't there's no need to talk about me. It's
Simon Pinchbeck:and the big thing for me has been is that you know, I still got it now. I still get now things ramping up. I've got asked to speak here and every people come up to you down and go. I wish I had a store like yours. No, I don't know say no, you don't might say. Tell me about you. Have you been you know, Christian? Mostly alive? Like, oh, yeah, from the teenager. I always, you know, in the 50s or so wish out a store like yours walking with Jesus. Yeah. And I'm wondering where to go for all that nonsense. And I got what I got. Yeah, you
Reverend Ben Cooper:got a great story, Mike. Actually, your story about the mafia, it's a million
Simon Pinchbeck:times better is that and it's a story that really because, you
Reverend Ben Cooper:know, the Church wants Hollywood, the church's Hollywood, the church is Mickey Mouse. The church in the UK has lost every ounce of power whatsoever. I'm starting to become an understanding that we are in serious trouble.
Simon Pinchbeck:I love I love the churches, churches, big emails.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Disneyland in it, what we got, we got shows going on. We got men dressed up in suits. We got you know, dressing up all things going on. I wanted to go to France or Florida and watch Disney land because that's what I'll get every Sunday morning when I flick through certain posts and certain things go on. I want Jesus, I need Jesus. If I don't get Jesus, I ain't gonna make it.
Simon Pinchbeck:And the Bible pen the Bible is sad. I was at a I was at a conference at a weekend and I said everyone got the Bibles. And what did we steal our Bibles for?
Reverend Ben Cooper:I thought we had the past as handbook. Or we got it's all
Simon Pinchbeck:on our phones now. Brother phone. The problem would have been on your phone. Yeah. Okay. interruptions, you suddenly found yourself and that was that message or your email or text message? Or surfing the internet? Yeah, surfing the net. Sport on stuff. Yeah. Or if you're in the Houses of Parliament. Yeah. You're watching something completely different tractors, tractors, dressed up as pornography. So you got you have to be careful. But your story, whoever you are out there, and let me tell your story is powerful. Because no one can argue the truth of your life. They can argue this, that and they're ever all about theology, the end the Bible, but they can't argue the truth of what Jesus Christ has done.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So we all have, we've all got a story. The story is the same. We are redeemed, and we have been set for a dash. That is my testimony. Jesus saved me. Done. Now let's talk about Jesus. You don't really mourn. No, no, no, but we've got these great. You've got these great. We've got this all the time. It has been around so long, isn't it? You know, it's been so long. men gather and listen to other men stories when actually what I need. I don't want to hear another story, a downer and I'm a testament I'm not being arrogant. I'm not being all that, you know, I really respect what God has done for you. But if someone don't tell me about Jesus, I ain't gonna get to the end of the day. Well, here's
Simon Pinchbeck:the thing. You know, I've been to these big conferences, and they, they will these these blessum guys up on stage
Reverend Ben Cooper:and celebrities with great stories.
Simon Pinchbeck:And what you wear is pretty much you they go. I never really knew my dad, my mother was an alcoholic, and then you know exactly where it's gonna go. Yeah, I could give your testimony without even knowing you might know. Yeah. And no one in the audience. Very few people in the audience will relate to anything you said
Reverend Ben Cooper:no. So what we have we have a big church across the UK with so many different denominations amongst it all. And we have to say we are part of that because we are part of the church and there's coming a point when am I gonna listen to the testimony of man or am I gonna literally open the Bible and say, Lord, I can't hear any more about man. I really need to know about Jesus. I need to study Christ. There is on please. You know, I appreciate what God has set people free from but I need Jesus how many people that are out there we're going to know what I can't hear another store a donor have another curry night. I don't want another men's breakfast. I don't want to go and do another paintball session. I don't want to do another team building. I just need God.
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah, I'll need I'm broken.
Reverend Ben Cooper:I can go cut. A lovely broken
Simon Pinchbeck:inside. I might look Okay on outside, but I'm smashed to pieces. And I'd meet men like that. All the time. I have men calling me on the phone all the time. On the outside, things are great. But inside stuff has gone on. It might be historical, it may be whatever. But they're they're really they're smashed,
Reverend Ben Cooper:absolutely broken. Why? Because the church hasn't spoken about Jesus, Jezebel, spirit, foreign spirits, all types of spirits, adapting and moving in different flows. The church is a gateway for satanic activity.
Simon Pinchbeck:Very true. And the church hasn't. We're in trouble in the UK big time and the church hasn't taken an interest in you, my friend now hasn't said. Let's find out about Derek in a corner. Let's find out about him. He's here. We see him every week. Yeah. But let's find out. Find out about what what is what's going on what Jesus was added to get Jesus into his week this week. Yeah,
Reverend Ben Cooper:you're right, Derek, our Yeah, no, no, we want to get the latest Christian celebrity. That's gonna cost us 1000s of pounds. Let's
Simon Pinchbeck:get let's get this. Oh, by the way, we've got Samsung. They've been out to Africa. But give them a round of applause. Yeah. Have you quit in the bucket for them? But Clive who's just walked in? Who's the local builder? Yeah. Now I can, I can, I think
Reverend Ben Cooper:we want the latest Christian celebrity we want the latest Christian celebrity to we dress them up, we will lift them up will elevate them, that word elevation is around so much, and it will elevate another human being when actually put a cross on the platform. Just look at the cross and say, You know what? The greatest testimony I want to hear is coming from Jesus.
Simon Pinchbeck:And that's the deal more friend, if you're a bend is just bend it's just did it, you know, hit it like a spiritual grenade. Come on, but he just did it. Ben, you know, if you feel down, worthless, and you and you just look at across if you want for you,
Reverend Ben Cooper:if you are hanging on a testimonies, let me tell you about someone, a man, Christ Jesus is testimony. If you if we use that language that the church is using, you know, we're hearing all day long about my testimony. Simon's testimony is testimony, testimony that tells me that the greatest testimony that ever was given was Jesus. I've come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Simon Pinchbeck:And that's it. So I've come die for you. That's the testimony. That's a story. That's the story. And the story. Is that all about I'll give my life for years, or it's all about Jesus. And then owl, that you learned about this man, Jesus. Yeah. And it's all about it. Yeah. And and here's the deal. You know, the Bible does talk about testimony. Yeah. And people will hit us with Revelation 1211. But if you if you look at Revelation and go back
Reverend Ben Cooper:to go to Revelation, does the church in the UK have that in its Bible? As it got such a book that we'll talk about in times, Revelation? Be careful what you read out?
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah, yeah. I appreciate that. But I'm just going to the car won't go so far. In case we explode. And we get the we get the Bible policing.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah. And we'll get kicked off of Google.
Simon Pinchbeck:As it's says, John says in Revelation 12, it goes to 10. He says, Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ have come for the accuser of the brethren who accused them before God day and night has been cast down. And then it says Then, And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, which was the story of Jesus story, the Jesus and the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives, to the death
Reverend Ben Cooper:unto death. Hang on a minute. That is not the story that I'm hearing across men's breakfast, across certain ministries unto death, but there is only one that would get in a pulpit and go, I'm going to tell you my story. My story is this. I came into this world to die. My story is the I'm going to the cross. My story is that I will give my life for you. What a story. If you want to hear a story, if you want to hear the greatest testimony that A man because I will say the man Christ JESUS because the Scripture reference that the man, Christ Jesus, there is a man walk this earth that has the greatest testimony the world will ever hear. He said, I've come that you would have life and have it in full. I've come to die.
Simon Pinchbeck:And that's why I've been want to tell people that everyone has got a story. Yes. And everyone can tell the story of Jesus, the story of Jesus through fruit maybe through their lives. Yeah. And our this Jesus character, as he called them, as saved them, as lead them to the Father Hilmi and as died for for my sin. What a story. I'm a census. And that's a bike race, but I'm nothing without Jesus.
Reverend Ben Cooper:I am nothing. Oh, he is my everything.
Simon Pinchbeck:Oh, man, I'm nothing without him. Just a worthless.
Reverend Ben Cooper:What about the father's story? Let's talk about the father's story. What an interesting story that would be if you could, what a terrible way to say this. If God put himself in the pulpit and said, I've got a story. I'm giving my son for you. Yeah, I'm giving I'm giving my son
Simon Pinchbeck:what that's, that's the redemption, isn't it? That's, I'll tell you a story is the fire was gone. This world is so wicked. I can't this is the ultimate thing I'm gonna do. So here's the deal. Everyone in the world has been redeemed every world, one world, every man, Jack Rabbit, wherever you are, has been redeemed because of what Jesus did on the cross. Right, it's up to us. We choose the salvation. Yeah, you know, the redemption is already there.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Redemption, that's the greatest story that anyone will ever want to I am redeemed. I'm redeemed because of Jesus. Let me tell you about Jesus, he come to this earth so that we'll have life and have it in abundance. It's not my actual story. It's his story, saving me from the sin and the corruption of the world. But religion wants to get the biggest name the hashtag that bumming around at the moment, then it let's get the let's get the whoever it is that's trending the most across the platform of ministry, across new wine across all the conferences that are happening at the moment, let's get the biggest Christian celebrity and listen to them, rather than listen to Gs. And maybe
Simon Pinchbeck:they've written a book. Yeah, and let's jump on it. But this advertise their book,
Reverend Ben Cooper:or maybe they've bought some music out. Let's really get into the Kundalini spirit. Let's really get rockin with the devil. How many conferences are Christian rock and roll man? And many, many gatherings are really and I'm talking about conferences I'm talking about all the denominational stuff that goes on, is focused on Jesus, we're always hearing, we got a keynote speaker. We got a motivational speaker, this person over there. He has built a church he has done this. It's really interesting if he was to take and to look at the all the conferences that we all go to. Is it really about Jesus? Or is it a really about the denomination and the man, this is our vision, this is what we want. This is what we are going to do. I want to hear about Jesus,
Simon Pinchbeck:you at a conference in you. And you wanted to come and listen
Reverend Ben Cooper:to Ben Cooper at a conference coming up at the panco. It's all about Ben Cooper.
Simon Pinchbeck:And me people turn up
Reverend Ben Cooper:as more than they can put a few mirrors in. So there was more maze mirrors on the walls. So there's a lot of me.
Simon Pinchbeck:But that is the truth.
Reverend Ben Cooper:I won't get the biggest Christian celebrity. Let's pay them a lot of money. Let's fly them in from across the pond. Let's put them in the greatest hotel within that region that's really licked their boats. Come on, well, this nation, I won't say the nation. We know the way the nation is going. But can we really say that the church is representing God? Can we say that? Can we say?
Simon Pinchbeck:Well, I think it's it's easier to say the church is representing a Jesus, a Jesus but not the Jesus and the you know, the church will tell you Jesus's love, which of course he is. But yeah, he's much, much more than that. Yeah, is totally much more than that. And you mentioned the father's story, the father's story. Now, if we've said many times on this platform, if if you want to follow Jesus, Jesus will lead you to the Father, which is that's where the treasure is. But the father looked down on his son who wouldn't Never been they never been apart
Reverend Ben Cooper:for all of eternity before the word eternity come into existence. Before there was light before there was Daybreak before there was any atoms or existence. They resting they
Simon Pinchbeck:was they were there and and what happened on that cross spend a father. We couldn't look at his son Cody, there's a
Reverend Ben Cooper:story. That's all as a story in it the thought
Simon Pinchbeck:that because the center of the world had covered this, yes, beautiful son. Yeah. No worry about the pain and the suffering, the physical pain and suffering, the actual pain of the father being separated and the son being separate from the Father.
Reverend Ben Cooper:There's a story there. So all about Jesus, the story is always about Jesus and the Father, the Father and the Son.
Simon Pinchbeck:And Jesus called out then the, you know, what? Why have you forsaken me? Yeah. Because the father couldn't imagine the fathers are breaking in that moment. That's what the the when he said it's done, that curtain was ripped into the father's anger and rough was poured out on his own son. He can't, can you? Can you can you kind of get your head around. The father's anger for the world was poured out.
Reverend Ben Cooper:You can't know there's a story. What a sacrifice that was sacrifice. And you know, we talk about testimony we talk about wood and that the Bible says die to self die, die to self pick up your cross. There's a story, the father looking down at the son, the story, the greatest testimony that you will ever read? Is that one that someone is talking about the cross of Calvary, how the Father gave up his one and only begotten Son. For all of humanity. For everything he gave up his son that there is no hashtag there are no lights, there are no glitz, there is no glamour there is no fame. There is there is nothing brutal death on Earth. It crucifixion,
Simon Pinchbeck:speechless. It does. I'm just sitting here well enough a little bit because
Reverend Ben Cooper:it makes you realize that religion and the church in the UK is seriously Mickey Mouse stuff and what could what is going
Simon Pinchbeck:on oh, dancing around Jesus's love Jesus, forgive me. Bah, bah bah, when love bhava. To to, to save you for for eternity
Reverend Ben Cooper:had to sacrifice because that was that's what it is one sacrifice. Hebrews says there was one sacrifice one sound once for all.
Simon Pinchbeck:And the father was anger was taken out on his own son. That was nothing. It had done nothing wrong.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Nothing wrong. But you're the Lamb that was slain the lamb. There's another there's a testimony.
Simon Pinchbeck:He was pure. He was absolutely pure. But the father
Reverend Ben Cooper:perfect in every way. But you're but the Holy prize is
Simon Pinchbeck:our redemption was the blood of his answer. When you
Reverend Ben Cooper:really think about redemption, because that is the greatest testimony on Earth. The redemption story, the redemption story of a son and a father, that is the greatest testament don't need to talk about my life. I just need to talk about the father, the God of Israel, sacrificing his son, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. You know, Christ is the image of the invisible God. So when you look at that crucifixion, when you really pull that together, that is the greatest story. If you want to, if you want to hear something that is so powerful and life changing the father, hand in his son over to be crucified. That is the most powerful story ever. Because it's not about him. It's about the one that was slain. It's about the Father losing a son. But humanity gaining redemption. Redemption. We have been redeemed. What a story what a testimony. What a story the man Christ Jesus. What a story of the Father going, you know what? Look at that. Look down there. They've done everything against what I've said time and time and time again. Adam, I'll give you the garden or give you everything. But one thing I asked, just don't take of that tree. Okay, or I won't cause your die. And basically, if you die, I'm gonna have to go on I have a plan in place. What a story. The biggest testimony on the earth is is the story of the Father and the Son.
Simon Pinchbeck:And so then we've all got the same story. Because we've all been saved at some point by the cross power across. So never think don't sit there and think you haven't got a story. You got a story because Christ spilt his blood and a father, sacrifice sacrifice his own son. Yeah, for you. Yeah. And that's the story. And then when you're done, no matter who you are with, whatever you're doing with doesn't matter if you've been the worst story
Reverend Ben Cooper:was written before you came into existence solely up for your testimony was written, but But you know, the glitz and the glamour of church likes to add on and to elongate and to make it all about the man, not the man Christ Jesus, but the one giving the testimony, ramping it up, building it up, G and it up. And I was Rana Lin.
Simon Pinchbeck:And not encourage anybody who's out there today, to use your story for God's glory. Yeah, not for you, my friend. But for but to introduce someone to Jesus, use your story usually doesn't matter. Doesn't matter where you come what you were, you've been through, and I will say, Stand strong. Stand strong on the truth, because no one can argue the truth of your life. No one can argue the truth what God you've got your own.
Reverend Ben Cooper:You got a powerful story. The story starts at the cross the Calvary and it's part and it finishes across the Calvary. It's all about Jesus. So I'm going to tell you about my father. He sent His one and only Son to die in my place. He sent His Son, I have no story. Because my story really was now today across the Calvary, you've got no story I've got no My history is gone. So why don't want to drag up my history. Because if I drag my history out, and it sounds good to the engineers, I'm just picking me up. But let me tell you about Jesus Jesus. Now my story to the cross of Calvary.
Simon Pinchbeck:I am. I'm smiling a little bit because my mother is a boxer called Nigel Benn. I don't know if you've ever heard Yeah, Nigel Benn was the dark destroyer wanna fight and vicious? Yeah, man in the ring. And a real naravane Nice guy, you know, was unfaithful to his wife in many ways, and it was a nasty character. Well, he is codified in in Christ. And, you know, he gives he's around the world. I think he's in Australia now. But I've heard him speak a couple of times. And funnily enough, it's his wife story was is more impactful than than is Yeah, yeah. But interesting. II won't either. We won't talk about his past that much. He just wants to talk about the Bible and bet Jesus, that's all he wants to believe. But
Reverend Ben Cooper:he knows he's been redeemed. They don't want to talk about or want to talk about me history. This hour, I want to tell you about Jesus, because my history was now to the cross of Calvary. And actually, the Scripture actually says that when it was now to the cross of Calvary, it was taken it was wiped off. So why don't want to keep regurgitating it. Like throwing it back in God's face. It was gone, the old is gone, the new has come. This is my story. And my story is not about me, but my story is about my god. The stock My testimony is about my heavenly father giving his one and only begotten Son, that whosoever shall believe in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. My story is about Jesus.
Simon Pinchbeck:Whenever I whenever I speak and tell about a testament I always want to come to the point where I come to the point where I say that you know, I embraced Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. So that's the time when all the other rubbish in my life stopped. Yeah. And it is the truth because, you know, the Bible says, We need to be born again. Born again. I'm a new creation,
Reverend Ben Cooper:new creation, the old is gone. The new has come
Simon Pinchbeck:crucified with Christ. It says, you know,
Reverend Ben Cooper:but we are living in a worldly church, we are living in so many different things that are happening within the church. The church is in a very dangerous position within the UK. We are in we are in trouble if we don't seek the Father.
Simon Pinchbeck:There's a chapter in the Bible which is interesting because it's it's where Jesus actually East he stands up to the Pharisees but but a guy given these testimonies that also stands up to the church and so they were they were the church. So this was the religiosity, the time and we got it today. Yeah, we got a die. And so it's in John chapter nine. And Jesus sought out this man who had been blind from birth. It actually been blind from birth and a they said to him, his disciples said to Jesus said, Rabbi, who sinned this man or his parents that he was born blind. It's interesting what Jesus said. Bettany said, Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him must work the works of Him who sent Me. While it is day, the night is coming, when no one can work as long as I'm in the world. I'm the light of the world. So what are you saying? Yeah, with comments on that event.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Now I can't. It's all about - it says it says everything then it's always about Jesus.
Simon Pinchbeck:And, and, and this man, I've sought him out because he's there because I'm, what's wrong gonna do with this guy? Because like, yeah, he's gonna be then that testimony
Reverend Ben Cooper:to me, to what I did.
Simon Pinchbeck:So Iran right at the beginning of this chapter, it ain't about the man.
Reverend Ben Cooper:It ain't about the man. It's about Jesus, it's about the obedience straight away, isn't it? It's about Christ, being obedient. Christ seeking out Christ doing the work Christ is Christ always will be.
Simon Pinchbeck:So he saw this guy out and he's spat on the ground. And do you remember the thing and he anointed his eyes with clay and you have to go and watch in a pool of in the pool of Salaam and it came back and he could see.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Wow, you must have been to a Bethel Church. I reckon. You probably have free legs growing by the time you come back, and oh,
Simon Pinchbeck:no, you see, you're wrong when he was you went to Jesus.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Oh, really?
Simon Pinchbeck:Gosh, you didn't go to man to be able to write a song.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Never seen that before. Jesus is the healer.
Simon Pinchbeck:And they're gone. And everyone's gone. Isn't isn't this the man who sat and begs? And some says, oh, no, he looks like him. But he's not him. But this man stood up and he said, I am he. And he said a man called Jesus made the clay a note in my eyes and said to me go to the pool of Salaam and wash and when are washed are received site. Yeah. And then they questioned him as to where he was. And then they brought him and he brought to the church. And I brought it to the Pharisees. Now this is you know, when you think this guy that brought in, so it's like, akin to being brought before the bishops and whatever. Yeah, yeah, we've all their fancy clothes on and all that and they're looking down on this man because he was a beggar. It was a beggar. And they're looking down on him and the guy. Exactly. Oh, you know. It was a Sabbath run. And Jesus is here on the Sabbath. And of course, that's really religious in it. But
Reverend Ben Cooper:yeah, God, you can't do that, can only eat chicken on the Sabbath.
Simon Pinchbeck:Therefore, this is what so this is what the religious leaders said, Ben, he says, Great, and it's just amazing. It is unbelievable. This man is not from God, because he does not keep the Sabbath.
Reverend Ben Cooper:hang on a minute.
Simon Pinchbeck:So, you know, he's great at Jesus challenged. I'm in it. You know, he said, If you lost a donkey, did you go and pull it out? Uh, well. I can't. Oh, hypocritical church leaders or employee critical, religious leaders. He said, They said to him, What do you say about him? Because he opened your eyes. He said he's a prophet. But the Jews did not believe concern them that he had been blind and receive your sight until they call his parents. I didn't believe him didn't believe his testimony. But and they asked him saying this your son. As he see his parents answered them he said we know it is awesome and that he was born blind. But by what means he now sees we do not know or open them. He is of age ask him because his parents were worried and frightened of these religious leaders. Yeah, so they weren't going to answer but ask him ask him ask him for his testimony about Jesus. So they caught a man who was blind and said, said to him give God the glory. We know that this man is a sinner. He said wherever he's a sinner or I don't know one thing I know. Though I was blind. I can now see spiritual love it. I was blind luck. Now see,
Reverend Ben Cooper:yes. Look at that. I love the fact that he says, verse 24, give glory to God, give glory to God, always to God, always to God, always to God is always about God.
Simon Pinchbeck:And he was strong, and he stood strong. And this is, this is the point, you know, when Jesus has done a miracle in your life? Yeah. Gotta stay strong, because he said, he said, I told you already, and you did not listen. Why do you want? Do you want to do it again? Do you want to become his disciples? Always really, really given it?
Reverend Ben Cooper:As a preacher? Do you want to become his disciples? No. We ain't, we will never be religion cannot be a disciple. So much in this text isn't. Listen to
Simon Pinchbeck:this man. What? More give me more, give me more. He said. Then they reviled him and said, You are his disciple. But we are Moses disciples. So you might be of Jesus. But we're a Moses. So we're
Reverend Ben Cooper:a man. Yes, a man is above Jesus.
Simon Pinchbeck:God spoke to Moses. As for this fella. We don't know where he's from.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So, a religious organization. Looks at man. Now this sounds very much like the church in the UK. We are the Church of England. We worship saints more than we, Moses, we worship saints more than we worship Christ. It's the
Simon Pinchbeck:but the thing is, same,
Reverend Ben Cooper:we are of Moses.
Simon Pinchbeck:If you're a Moses, then you must have known that Moses talked about the Messiah. Moses talked about Jesus. And here he is standing in front of you, but you can't see it because you're blind. You're blind. But But this man was blind. But now you can see spiritual, spiritually, blindness. These are very true, blind, religious leaders.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So where do we have this? In the church in the UK? Where? spiritual blindness, spiritual blindness, we know that God spoke to Moses. But as for this fellow, we don't know where he comes from what? That that is so true today. 1000s of years old detectors. We know God spoke to Moses. But as for this fellow, who is this Jesus? We know Moses, we know Mary, we know the Pope. We know the bishops, we know this, we know that. But we don't know Jesus is that is so prophetic.
Simon Pinchbeck:And this man continues to stand strong in front of these with bruises. Why? Because that we've said it before and in May times you said it, you know, he was in you is greater than He is in the world. So he's, he's been fooled with Jesus. Yeah. And you don't care.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Even religion can't say we don't know this fellow. What a word to call the Messiah. We don't know this fellow. We don't know his chat. I don't know this chap. We know Moses, but we don't know him. But isn't that interesting? What the devil said, the devil's going Meseret say said, we don't know who the disciples are. But we know Jesus, we know Jesus, the opposite what we have religion goes. We know Moses, we know we know. St. Paul, we know. We know St. Augustine, we know all the saints. We love the Pope. We know these fellows. But we don't know who this Jesus is. But the devil is go. I know Jesus is. I don't know, you religious lot. Know you. Even the devils are more fearful than the Messiah than the religious organization.
Simon Pinchbeck:This guy is you got to take a stand is he standing the rock on the rock? And because he says, he says why this is a marvelous thing that you do not know where he's from. And he's mocking Him. Now in a you know
Reverend Ben Cooper:He is given it large.
Simon Pinchbeck:Yet he has opened my eyes. Now we know that God does not hear sinners. But if anyone is a worshipper of God, and does his will, he is him. since the world began, it has been unheard of that anyone open the eyes of one who has been born blind. If this man were not from God, he could do nothing.
Reverend Ben Cooper:If this man was not from God, he is speaking revelation, this, this character when you look at this character that was healed. When you look at what is saying, talk about words from God. Talk about Christ in this conversation. And that's
Simon Pinchbeck:the thing in it, you know, Jesus said, don't worry about what you've got to say just Open your mouth and the words will come. So, so what this is exactly what's happened here. And this is what I'd say to anyone out there is listening to this is that, don't worry about saying you're given your story in the story of Jesus. Because if you you're talking about Jesus, open your mouth, and the words will come out. And so they can't. They're baffled. They can't come at this guy. And so what do they do? It's
Reverend Ben Cooper:quite interesting what they say in verse 34. Yeah, you're lecturing us?
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah, you're competent. Yeah. You're lecturing us? You are from the devil? Yeah. Falling sins, and you are teaching us
Reverend Ben Cooper:religion is all about release out. I
Simon Pinchbeck:said, Yeah.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Who do you think you are?
Simon Pinchbeck:And so he's, he's not he's been cast out, not only of the synagogue, but he's been cast out of the faith.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, he's been. He's an ISA, is an outcast, because he believes in Jesus. So if you believe in Jesus, today, you are an outcast. And isn't that true for where we sit? Big time, if you be the true Jesus, if you believe follow the true Jesus, the true one, and not the fake one that has been pressed around, but if you believe in Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is the living word, if you believe in the living word, you will find that you are an outcast, to a religion,
Simon Pinchbeck:to religion, and, and here's the deal, you will feel uncomfortable around religion,
Reverend Ben Cooper:and you're really gonna have to stand up for what you believe in, and you're gonna have to lift your voice, you're gonna
Simon Pinchbeck:feel like a square peg in a round hole. And believe me, if it means making some major changes in your life, you've got to change them, you've got to change them. You can't keep going to a place where you're fed rubbish. Because you'll end up being what you're eating and taking in you'll end up being rubbish now. It's our love what happens next. And in their system, these stories in the public says the Bible, it's so exciting. We've just, we've just taken one chapter here, and just literally what happens next is Jesus is Hold on a minute, hang on a minute by cast him out. I'll let me go and have a chat with his fellow. So he finds him and he says, he said to me, he said, Do you believe in the Son of God? And this man said, Who is the Lord that are my believing Him? And Jesus said to him, you're both seen him? And is he who is talking with you? And what was his answer, Ben,
Reverend Ben Cooper:I believe Whoa, yeah. But I think what the two things that go together here are really important, I believe. And he worshipped him. He lifted Christ up he worship to be worshipped him. Yeah, he worshipped Jesus.
Simon Pinchbeck:He recognized who he was. And he, yeah, yeah.
Reverend Ben Cooper:It's something powerful. But when you become a worshipper of Jesus Christ, you become an outcast.
Simon Pinchbeck:And look at this simple line that Jesus said, For judgment. I've come into this world that those who do not see may see, and those who see may be blind. You know, this is the loving, gentle make a mild Jesus, who's given it to you, says, yeah, it was up if you want me, you can, you can see. But if you carry on, you're always you'll just be as blind as you've always been. And some of the Pharisees look at
Reverend Ben Cooper:the old religious boy. Some of some from the men's club known as church today, some Pharisees, who were with him, heard him say this and asked, What Are we blind to? How can you have the audacity to speak your coroner's,
Simon Pinchbeck:they knew what he was talking about. He knew there was talking about them.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Jesus, Jesus. Are you calling us blind? We are lecherous. We are educators. We have higher academic skills. Are you calling us? We blind? We know
Simon Pinchbeck:that look, what is loving Jesus said Next, go on to college. As we've
Reverend Ben Cooper:Jesus said, verse 41. If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin. But now that you claim you can see here your guilt remains,
Simon Pinchbeck:though your centers have that have that this is a pipe and smoke lab, who loves everybody, but the he's giving it to the religious leaders of the day. And he goes on in John 10 to give it to him even more, and many people John tent I mean, he talks about that the true shepherd and it's it's an Sumit we will on another podcast, we can go into that but, but in John 1010 Many people, many people go, because John 1010 says, The thief does not come except to steal, to kill and to destroy. And I have come that they may have life and that they may have it more abundantly and many people relate that. I can't say sorry,
Reverend Ben Cooper:I got carried away. And i got a nice house on the way
Simon Pinchbeck:say he's talking about the devil there. And yes, the devil does come to but if you look at the context of this whole thing, the whole conversation is talking about the religious leaders. Yeah, he's come to rob steal and destroy. And it's the same in this day. Yeah, coming to misdirect you in another to another Jesus, not this Jesus. Who's he's given it large to these to these I would
Reverend Ben Cooper:love to know those Pharisees was that was having this conversation. They are absolutely complete doughnuts that they're standing in front of the Messiah. Absolutely. crackpots when you really think about it, they are. They are fighting Christ with words. We are greater than you. We know Moses, but who are you? This is so the Church of the UK. I was
Simon Pinchbeck:going to say that this is what this is what we're up against the day with, with men believe in their own believing their legends in their own lunchtime. Yeah. And yeah, and they're not. They is a great verse. In our thing, it's two Corinthians saying we've got 10,000 preachers and teachers. Yeah. And no fathers and no fathers. We've got a load of people who want to jump up grabbed a microphone these days. Tell you what a great new revelation they've got from the Lord. No, you haven't. And and I want it to be about them.
Reverend Ben Cooper:And how many times do we hear this? I've got a word for you. A word for you. But I've got a word for you. I've got a word from the Lord for you. I've got a word from the Lord. And
Simon Pinchbeck:even worse than that, is this Oh, me this? Oh, you just don't want to don't want to wear that do you
Reverend Ben Cooper:don't want to wear anymore? And why would god use a vechile
Simon Pinchbeck:you know you must get that audit?
Reverend Ben Cooper:Oh, yeah, I've got more words coming out of me than than in the Bible. And we got to be careful because because they all conflict, each one. All the word of man conflicts, the next testimony or the next word coming along. So I've god in the morning tells me this in an afternoon he tells me that it can't be because God's changed his mind on me. I can't I can't No wonder I'm confused. No wonder I'm need Jesus is not good. The devil is because of the church has confused me.
Simon Pinchbeck:We're in a state. We're in a state. That was we've just gone through a wave just literally amazing chaps out on. Yeah. It's just opened up so much and it but religion, about religion and how Jesus dealt with the Pharisees.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, and he, and the power of speech, the power of speech and the power of sight, you might be able to see the physical world in front of you. But you can't see the living Christ. You might dress like the church, you might look like the church, but you are missing Jesus because you can't see him.
Simon Pinchbeck:And I was recovering to land today because Crocky work with
Reverend Ben Cooper:money, got quick, hurry up, speak
Simon Pinchbeck:up. We're just as recounted, and we just want to say that your story is about Jesus, if you've embraced him, and stand strong. tell someone about Jesus Christ through your life today. But the story is not about you. It's not about me, it's not about any of us. It's a story is about Jesus, and what he's done for you, and we lift his name up high. And that's the name that is above all names. And you know, so if you open your mouth and are obedient, tell Jesus his story through you. Amen. Because that's who should get the praise and the glory. Not us.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Not, it's all about Jesus. Thank you so much for listening to Simon pinchbeck myself. And as we've just open up the Word of God, and we thank God that He is going to use the power of revelation or knowledge or the power of the Spirit of the Living God, you are sons and daughters of the living God. You've been listening to us here at # Christian, straight talk straight out of the barrel of truth. God is with you. You are saved and you are blessed. But it's not about me. It's not about Simon. It's about Jesus.
Simon Pinchbeck:Amen. Hallelujah, breakout ammunition.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Come on. lets go and write another book about us. God bless