Reverend Ben Cooper and Simon Pinchbeck take to the Mics for the next Chapter of #Christian Straight Talk, straight out of the barrel of truth.
This weeks discussion is redemption, justification, reconciliation, salvation, sovereignty of God as it says in the title The Blood of Jesus - referencing Exodus chapter 12 ver 12:13 and from the New Testament, Colossians chapter 2 and chapter 1 where the scripture makes a clear reference to 'the bloodshed on the cross of calvary.'
Listen on Apple Music, Amazon Music, I Heart Radio, Buzzsprout, Spotify, and multiple other Podcast platforms - you will find us under the title Reverend Ben Cooper's Podcast.
Reverend Ben Cooper and Simon Pinchbeck take to the Mics for the next Chapter of #Christian Straight Talk, straight out of the barrel of truth.
This weeks discussion is redemption, justification, reconciliation, salvation, sovereignty of God as it says in the title The Blood of Jesus - referencing Exodus chapter 12 ver 12:13 and from the New Testament, Colossians chapter 2 and chapter 1 where the scripture makes a clear reference to 'the bloodshed on the cross of calvary.'
Listen on Apple Music, Amazon Music, I Heart Radio, Buzzsprout, Spotify, and multiple other Podcast platforms - you will find us under the title Reverend Ben Cooper's Podcast.
Good morning, everybody. God bless you wherever you are today. May God strengthen you and may God guide you in all your lives. Thank you so much for joining us. You're joining Simon and myself. #Christian Straight Talk. Wherever you are across the world. It is the blood of Jesus. He's the King of kings and the Lord of lords. All things are possible to those who believe. Simon, good morning.
Simon Pinchbeck:We are in yeah, great to be across the mics again, we straight talk and
Reverend Ben Cooper:straight in.
Simon Pinchbeck:I'm excited today for today's subject. Oh, you know, going all the sleepless night thinking about what we're going to talk about.
Reverend Ben Cooper:It's a big old subject, it's
Simon Pinchbeck:a big subject and
Reverend Ben Cooper:it's a subject base is scary subject
Simon Pinchbeck:people, the church don't preach about it. Oh, that's a surprise. It's
Reverend Ben Cooper:gonna say the word. You say the word the title of today is?
Simon Pinchbeck:It's the blood. And you know, a lot of denominations are cut down, that the Bob can't talk about it, Ben, because I think talking about blood of friends, but you know, unless you grasp the power of the blood of Jesus, then I'm afraid you don't grasp the gospel do
Reverend Ben Cooper:the blood is the center isn't it? The blood? You know, we I think we can start to say that in the book of Exodus and Genesis really clearly, where we see about blood sacrifice, but what what really is a drawing scripture to me is is Exodus chapter 12, you know, where God says, I will pass over Exodus chapter 12, verse 12, and 13 where God says, I will pass through Egypt without looking at the Scripture, you know, just just speaking off the top of my head he says, I will I will pass through Egypt and I will strike down Pete the first bomb among people and the animals but the blood will be a sign
Simon Pinchbeck:the blood will be a sign so it's
Reverend Ben Cooper:critical isn't it? So right from the very beginning of what we know that the new the Old Testament right up to the to the New Testament, blood is critical.
Simon Pinchbeck:It's critical because it was a sign of salvation for them they were so yet and also been see the blood is life in it. You know, the Scripture says,
Reverend Ben Cooper:there's life in the blood. So
Simon Pinchbeck:don't forget about the robots they're you know, they're building now the but they got no blood. They've got no blood, but it's life. And you're right, going right back the Genesis when when the very first sin was committed. Yeah. What did what did God do, he sacrificed a lamb didn't govern or a sheep and he gave him clothes to wear, you know. So it's right from the very beginning, he wrapped him
Reverend Ben Cooper:up white skin right from the very, very beginning. And I just want to I just found I just got that text in front of me because I want to make sure that the reference is clear. So Exodus chapter 12, verse 12, and I'm gonna read this, you can either ruffles of paper here it says, On the same night, I will pass through all Egypt and I will strike down the first bond, both people and animals and I will bring judgment. I love this part because it says, I will bring judgment on all the gods or the gods of Egypt. I am the Lord the blood will be a sign for you on your houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over and no distractive plague will touch you. When I strike Egypt. So we don't see any activity from Lucifer. We don't see any agents of death. We see God so God makes His very clear. I'm going to bring judgment, I'm going to bring death. But what will be the sign is the blood of the lamb
Simon Pinchbeck:as the blood of the lamb I would adore and it's a protection it's it saves them than it been so I go right back to the to when when Moses was gathering these people together and God's gone. Bosch This is and for the Jewish people. Yep. The sacrificing of a lamb the blood had to be spelt for the atonement of sins in those days I'm I'm
Reverend Ben Cooper:still the spilling of blood was critical. And and if you can imagine what that must have sounded like and it was like, you know, she got this you got this priest doing the sacrifices over and over and over and over again. You can it must have looked awful, mustn't it the sound of animal wailing, queuing up all this sort of stuff. I know because they sense of blood every is quite barbaric. And
Simon Pinchbeck:when you brought something there been, you know, the the actual, if you'll put yourself into that same, you know, this is crazy because I worked at a slaughterhouse where they used to kill pigs, you know, and then pigs know where they were coming. And that was squealing. And I did, and they had to be pulled actually to be into the US problem and get him in there. So I was no animals. Now they know, they know they were going to,
Reverend Ben Cooper:they knew they were going to the priest. Yeah. And they were going to be slaughtered and the sound and and the whaling and the connection of the animal world. And you just try and picture that for a minute, you've got this priest in this, this place that is just old stone, it must have been absolutely barbaric,
Simon Pinchbeck:horrendous because the Bible tells us, you know, literally, hundreds of bows and sheep and
Reverend Ben Cooper:time and time and time and time again,
Simon Pinchbeck:any any sacrifice to the Lord was, you know, was was the killing of an animal, you know, and Abraham was going to sacrifice his son in obedience, so he spilled a blood of His Son. So, blood is at the heart of the Bible, all the way through. But the blood of Jesus is at the heart of the gospel. And if we don't understand the blood of Jesus, you don't understand the gospel. And so,
Reverend Ben Cooper:because if you don't get that, what do you do? You'll wipe out the cross of Calvary. So you wipe it out. So you want. So if you wipe out the cross of Calvary, you're wiping out redemption, and sin. Because no one likes to let themselves know that I am a sinner.
Simon Pinchbeck:Well, then now you've introduced the
Reverend Ben Cooper:word, you brought your blood and I brought the sin. Church, you're going to switch off,
Simon Pinchbeck:I'm sorry, but we're going to have to go down and have a look at that and sin word,
Reverend Ben Cooper:then we can have to go look at that
Simon Pinchbeck:word. You love that old him, Ben, you know, nothing but a blood of Jesus, or the old rocky cross. Yeah. Now, Finn, but the blood of G is a now I can't sing that in here. Now. I think some bandit bandit I'm saying nothing but the love of Jesus.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So we'll have some new songs on and I'll get it right and occultic rhythm. That's what I do.
Simon Pinchbeck:But look at this man, we'll just dip into this scripture. This is one Peter 117 to 21. But he goes, and if you call on the Father, who without partiality, judges, according to each one's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear, knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things like silver and gold, see, so he picks the most valuable things silver and gold, and cause them corruptible because that's exactly what they are, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers rise to wipe out all tradition, but with the precious blood of Jesus Christ as a lamb without blemish and without spot. And he indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world that was manifest in his last dance for you, who through him believe in God, who raised him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. Wow. So you've been redeemed? Redemption, the price has been paid by the blood of Jesus, the unit of whoever's listening to this for you the blood of Jesus, the light bend, but you right? Because sin is a serious matter. It has eternal consequences. Mandana it
Reverend Ben Cooper:does. And then, in Colossians, chapter two, verse 13, it says, when you were dead in your sins, allow church. Hello, Ben. Hello, Simon. I'm going to introduce the word sin again. So Colossians chapter two, it says, when you were dead in your sins, in your uncircumcised of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all of our sins, having cancelled the charge of the legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us, he has taken it away, now made it to the cross, and as disarmed the powers and authorities and has made a public spectacle of them triumphing over them by the cross. So the cross, the sin and the blood, Christ are so important. It's so important to the center point of Christianity.
Simon Pinchbeck:Because my friends, if if you believe you're saved by believing in the love of Jesus, you got to really examine your salvation because you got to understand that that what sin is because it's not just a matter of Oh Forgive me, Jesus, forgive me, Jesus Love Me no sin, as sinful nature has got consequences, but you and I was sin deceives done it been said this saved, you know, sin deceives. It'll tell you one thing, but deliver
Reverend Ben Cooper:another Exactly. The consequence.
Simon Pinchbeck:it disappoints sin. I'll give you a big time offers,
Reverend Ben Cooper:it will does it all day long? Yeah, a lot of offers.
Simon Pinchbeck:Yes, yeah, you
Reverend Ben Cooper:can have this, you can do this, you can do that, if you do this. But the Bible also says all have sinned and fallen short of His glory. The Bible also says that I haven't heard anyone mentioned this for a long time, each man is drawn away by his own lasts. So last and sin and the blood of Jesus are critical to understand. So I am a sinner saved by grace, I'm washed in the blood of Jesus. My name is stamped in the Lamb's book of life. I am a child of the living God, but I gotta live in a nation that is completely fallen away from God, even you can't find a clear line in the sand anymore. When Christ was before that crowd and he drew that line in the sand. I believe that when Christ rubbed that line away, all them 2000 years ago, when he had that conversation they've been going on, I believe that was very, very important for where we are today that there has been a line been rubbed away between Church State and monarchy, they all blend together, but the kingdom of God is about the blood of Jesus sins washed away is
Simon Pinchbeck:and the thing is, man, if you're gonna, if you're gonna dilute the blood, you're gonna dilute the gospel.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So how do I dilute it? Well, I don't even engage in it.
Simon Pinchbeck:And so you don't mention sin because that's gonna offend so called Jesus love, which obviously is, but he's a lot more than that. So the reality is, you're going so far away from the reality you're going so far away from the gospel, because the reality is my friends that that sin as you quite rightly said, All have sinned and simply says that it's a destroyer. And it's gives instant gratification for long term pain. It destroys families, relationships, and it brings death in a brings death bend, because what does it say in Romans 623? I can't remember. But it wages of sin is death. Yes. What he says in 620, for Iran with the wages. So so so I'm gonna go down the line. We've we've, we've Devon, it's not sometimes it's instant death. But sometimes it's long term. Because if you're in it for the long haul, if you're in December long haul, yeah, that's, that's your wages. That's the end of it.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Isn't it interesting when the Scripture says, All have sinned and fallen short of His glory, so that all of sin will always continue to be all have sinned until he returns. So I'm always going to be in a position of sin into a degree. Because a lot of sin doesn't happen through actions, physical actions actually happens in the head, in a thought pattern in the process of thinking, I've thought it, I've lived it, I've done it. Thank you very much. Bye, bye.
Simon Pinchbeck:It's a really interesting point you bring up because we're going to talk about that in just a moment, because what you're talking about is sanctification, which is continual cleansing of the blood. Because even though you're saved, you still carry on sinning, you know, but that's the mind is dangerous. Man is huge. But forwards been we've L word help you out, sum up the redemptive message of salvation in the blood. And well, first one is, is is redemption. And we'd said just in that in that, you know, so what is what is redemption? We've spoken about it before. It's, it's a price that's paid for something back, you've been brought back.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So to be bought back, where do I need? Where was I? I was lost, I was lost on the wrong side of the crop, because of the cross of Calvary, and the blood and the blood. Yeah. And what is really important is that at the cross of Calvary, when the scripture says his side was pierced, and blood and water flowed that that is a very deep theological understanding about blood and water flowing together. He says if you want, I'm living water. So when he's when he's at the world when he's talking to the Samaritan woman, that's really interesting. The connection between that well when the cross you're thirsty come to me, all of you that are firstly and the scripture says out of his sight, flood water and blood, water is is you know, you're thirsty. I will I will give you that water and blood cleanses. really interested in how the scriptures line up so beautifully and perfect. Actually, so I'm always going to be in a position of a sinful position
Simon Pinchbeck:and the power of the Father, and we're going to talk about the father's story in a couple of weeks time, but she'd be really interesting. But the father had to do want to do something, to bring his people back to him to redeem his penis back to him, and the only thing he could do was shed the blood of his own son, who was sinless. And so everyone in the world has been redeemed, everyone has been redeemed, not everyone was saved, but everyone has been redeemed because it's a one time thing, one sacrifice, a one sacrifice once and for all. And before the cross, it was sacrificial. 1000s Every day, every week. So everything, it comes back
Reverend Ben Cooper:to the cross and across from Genesis, all the way up, the arrow of time comes up to Genesis from Genesis sorry, all the way through the Old Testament to the cross of Calvary. The old was finished at the cross, the new began, so everything is at the cross. And what happened at the cross. Blood was shed at the cross blood,
Simon Pinchbeck:blood blood. So
Reverend Ben Cooper:you come back to that word again. Blood. Yeah.
Simon Pinchbeck:And what else? Did the blood do Ben it reconciled as back to the five incline. If we go into Colossians again, and I think Colossians is a is a great book. It's really overlooked. You know, Colossians 119 says, for it, please the fiber that in him all the fullness should dwell and by Him to reconcile all things to himself by him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of his cross. That's right, the blood reconciles you back to the Father. The Father wants you to come back to him. Yeah, as the only way. The only
Reverend Ben Cooper:reconciliation and redemption and redemption is the only way way forward
Simon Pinchbeck:is a want reconciliation. So one time thing, redemption is a one time thing. And the third word I'm going to bring in Now Ben, is justification who so you so you're no longer guilty. So you're justified. And that is you've got to get your head around this. But Romans five, eight,
Reverend Ben Cooper:I think it's a very difficult word. I think salvation redemption, reconciliation, justification. You know, Revelation, I think there's so many big words out there that the church hasn't spoken about. So when you talk about these words, they they feel so big and strong and powerful, that you almost want to not go down that road because the flag wavers don't don't talk about these words. But the words that we're talking about are critical words in, in what we would call the doctrines of grace, the church is missing the doctrines of grace if the church would continue, or it could have continued to preach and to teach the fundamental points of Christianity, the doctrines of grace, we wouldn't be sitting where we sit? Well, it's a bit of an argument was a bit of a point for discussion. We are where we are purely because the church hasn't preached what it should have preached, but that is scripture anyway. So the doctrines of grace are missing. Out of the Church of the UK, everything is hype. Everything is adrenaline. Everything is flush. But the doctrines of grace are the simple words that Simon is talking about redemption, reconciliation, salvation, Revelation, justification, doctrines of grace.
Simon Pinchbeck:Been, but I don't know, I can't get my head around the churches why they drop these out? Because it's so exciting to me. It's so exciting when you realize when we've been talking openly about a cross of our blood, it this is what Jesus has done for us. Yeah, definitely want us to tell everybody about it. Surely, surely, you know, you get someone coming to your church and you and you tell them about the blood of what Jesus has done for you, and how you died and accept that you are a sinner. And you want to be
Reverend Ben Cooper:no one wants to be told they're a sinner, no one will have that the world will ramp you up. And they will see the world
Simon Pinchbeck:allows you to write but no one wants to be told they're a sinner.
Reverend Ben Cooper:I do but I believe that at a certain point in their life. But when you actually realize that, if you call me a sinner, it what it does, it helps me to understand why Why am I a sinner? Because I live in a fallen world. So what we find in the world no one because when you use the word sinner, it brings so much weight onto that, that even the church doesn't doesn't use that terminology anymore because everybody political correctness, the fluid, the gender, the gender neutral issues that we got I in the finance issues, the the political statements, you know, we are living, it's like the UK skating on ice and the ice is going to crack. But when I, when I say I am a sinner, it frees me.
Simon Pinchbeck:So what do they say when they say, made a few mistakes in my life?
Reverend Ben Cooper:I've just I've made I've made a few lifestyle choices that
Simon Pinchbeck:lifestyle choices which I've made a few wrong choices,
Reverend Ben Cooper:maybe I've hit the drum skin a bit odd with no one wants to be known as a sinner. But I've made some lifestyle choices.
Simon Pinchbeck:I think you're true. I see that question because I totally believe what you say, I believe that no one wants to be, wants to be wants to admit they're, they're a sinner. But you've got to be brought to that place. And you because
Reverend Ben Cooper:when you've been when you brought to that place? How do I get out of that? You can't call me a sinner, you can't preach that gospel at me. You don't know. Already there is anger and frustration. But when when I'm told on when I'm told I'm a sinner, I'll go right. Okay, if I'm a sinner, how do I get out of it? I don't want to be known as a sinner is the cross that frees me because I'm a slave to righteousness. And so there's a crossing over. But the church, that's the preach from the pulpit, sin, living in sin, and the UK, is is endorsing, is allowing it to happen. So when the church starts talking about it, because the world has infiltrated the church, and we are seeing the biggest fall away of the church in the UK that we've ever seen. The falling away is is happening. denominations are falling away. But denominations that will stand will only be the ones that preach the blood. But
Simon Pinchbeck:we've just mentioned reconciliation. So even if you have fallen away, and you're going to be reconciled, or was a one time thing and reconciliation, yeah, through the blood of the cross is brought is bringing people back together, isn't it once you once you've got hold of that, that what Jesus did when he died here, he split his blood for you. Yeah, the blood can reconcile you, you know, I was reconciled back to my wife through my faith. Yeah. And we're brought back and we celebrated four years of marriage just a few weeks ago. So God heals God restores brilliant, we have to accept Jesus Christ and what He did for us. So this justification, which means we are no longer guilty, look at look at the Romans five, eight, and you love this one. But God demonstrates His own love for horses, right. So, so listen,
Reverend Ben Cooper:these while I was still a happy person, no, no, not that while I was
Simon Pinchbeck:making wrong choices, wrong lifestyle choices.
Reverend Ben Cooper:No, say as is say, as a
Simon Pinchbeck:Bible says it Well, is he demonstrates His own love towards her. So you know, if you say you know the bloods not about love, listen, he's here. It's yeah, it's all about love. It's all about love. Everything's about love. Everything is about the Father's love for you the love for his son, but the love for you to bring you back to him. His own love towards us in while we were still sinners, Christ died for
Reverend Ben Cooper:it. When you think about that scripture alone. Even while I was still singing, he saved me while I was singing. He was still singing. Yeah, even while I was making bad lifestyle choices, he saved me. He saved the site.
Simon Pinchbeck:Before Christ died for his much more than having now been justified, justified by what Ben?
Reverend Ben Cooper:justified by the
Simon Pinchbeck:justify by his blood, we shouldn't be saved from the wrath through him.
Reverend Ben Cooper:You've mentioned a word that I haven't heard again, the wrath of God. So in the Scripture, it is clear that there is judgment. God says, I will pass through Egypt, I will take you out. If the blood is not a sign. When Christ is coming back. He is coming with a double edged sword. And he is going to be dripping in
Simon Pinchbeck:blood. Yeah, because his blood
Reverend Ben Cooper:and what's the bringing? judgment? Judgment? Yeah, so judgment goes along with sin. So it is really important to understand that I'm a sinner saved by grace. The cross of Calvary was the brutal most brutal way to go.
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah, we said all that last week if you didn't catch it and capture that back, right, listen to that back because that was powerful,
Reverend Ben Cooper:but the shedding of blood brings freedom So in Leviticus, church, if you're out there, there is a book in the Old Testament called Leviticus. And it is chapter 17, verse 14, the life of every creature is in the blood, there is life in the blood, and then you go on to the vampire stretch of it, where people quote, don't drink it. And don't take of it, you know. So it's interesting that the other side of the cross, so what you got, you've got the occultic world is more active with blood than what the church is?
Simon Pinchbeck:Very much so because they realize a life force of that blood.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Exactly. And the church is all we're lifestyle choices today. Very
Simon Pinchbeck:interesting. You mentioned Leviticus there, because, you know, people can't get their head around that, but can they have a real interest in? Because the next word, the last one we're going to come into we've had, we've had redemption, reconciliation, justification. And last word is sanctification. So here we go. So we've got Leviticus yet. And a book in the New Testament, which reflects Leviticus is the Hebrews is Hebrew, isn't it? So yes, hey, we've got a Hebrew. So I don't want to get too complicated. We're not good. Now we know it's good. If we get April's 1312, because we have to open the scripture out or open the Scripture 1312 It says this. So we've been talking about sacrificial blood, it says, Therefore, Jesus, also, that He might sanctify the people with his own blood. Whoa, there we go. Suffered outside the gate. So yeah, talking about yes, sanctification, which is the cleansing power of His blood
Reverend Ben Cooper:of the blood. So yeah, when you look at the Scripture, it makes it very clear that they they hung him on the outside of the city, the scapegoat, you know, the shedding of blood, blood is all the way through the Bible. Blood is all the way through. And so in Leviticus, that scripture that I mentioned, 17, verse 14, it says, The Life of creation is in the blood. That is why I've said to the people of Israel, you must never eat or drink blood, for life of every creature is in the blood. So whoever consumes blood will be cut off from the community. So in the occultic world, this is how I really believe and see things at this moment, the occultic world is alive, and very vibrant, and very strong. And there is blood sacrifices, whatever way you look at it. And I won't go into detail because certain places of the world use our 111. But I know this goes on because of certain areas of work that I'm involved in. They use human sacrifice in a cultic practices, because they know that there is the power that is in the blood. So demonic forces. So when you look at witchcraft, and when you look at certain areas of occultic dark satanic Luciferian worship, there is blood involved in that and I would put it out on the airwaves today that the occult world understands more about the blood than what the church understands. Because if the church really understood about the power of the blood, it will be talking more but the reason the world of a cultic activity is strong is because they do what God tells them not to do.
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah oh and I can see what point you're making there. They drink blood don't drink don't drink they sacrifice sacrifice. They drink like going through the refresher listing to yet power
Reverend Ben Cooper:in a way it does because it is completely satanic is combat. But he's limited.
Simon Pinchbeck:It's limited or you said it's got a limiter on it is limited. Because we have the ultimate power as one sacrifice. We've we've been cleansed by the blood of Jesus and stats where we're we're sanctified we've been set apart for His kingdom. And this interesting has the other the other free which is redemption. As we've said reconciliation just to education. That's a one time thing but Santa damnation is that anything is a continuum. Yeah, we continually sin and the blood continually cleanses us and if we got to heat if we go to we spoke about Hebrews, but look at this. In one John one seven to nine, which many people many people on Just notice Scripture but been many people probably haven't dug into it like we're going to do the day because he says, he says this is, he says, But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another. And the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sent Wow. Now this is this is the word of God, the blood cleanses us. If we say that we have no sin, we say we're making lifestyle, lifestyle choices. We say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. Exactly. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive our sins. And what does he say? and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So what we have is sin and blood go together
Simon Pinchbeck:awful in it. Yeah. Powerful words. You can't get away from it. You can't get away
Reverend Ben Cooper:from the doctrines of grace out of blood, the power of the blood. What does the blood do? It brings life it brings her life, it brings her imagine what it'd be like if the preachers got up this Sunday, and delivered such powerful messages on the blood of Christ, how there is hope through the cleansing power of the blood of Calvary, the Crimson Tide, the blood of Jesus, it's the blood one sacrifice once and for imagine, if all, you know, great, thank you, NHS, we really appreciate that. But every whatever night it was go outside, clapping all the way through that and I get that and I'm fully respectful of that. But imagine if the church took that run that system on board this Sunday, all of us, every one of us is going to preach on the blood. Because what we see that was powerful, the nation coming together, imagine if the church came together and preach the gospel and the blood of Jesus preached the doctrines of grace funded the scripture out across the airwaves.
Simon Pinchbeck:Wow. Wow.
Reverend Ben Cooper:I can't wait I can almost feel it in my being like just thinking about it. You've
Simon Pinchbeck:got churches sit in their fat on on discipleship from being spoon fed stuff going? Well, we're praying for revival revival revival. And if if that was preached, yeah, everyone will be up and out and spreading the word. Yeah, you
Reverend Ben Cooper:wouldn't have to mention the word revival. Because if you talk about the blood because there's life in the blood and life is revive redeemed,
Simon Pinchbeck:and we individually we've been revived, we've been restored, we've been restored. Ben.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So you're in this we're in a revival.
Simon Pinchbeck:It's going so well when
Reverend Ben Cooper:I would say Simon that that a person I can't even use the word anymore. The revival because it's been prostituted and used,
Simon Pinchbeck:discuss 100%
Reverend Ben Cooper:But if if the church would preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and the blood of the cross, and the sacrificial lamb and everything to do with the cross and sin, there will be a continuum of a of a revival what they want with no 10 meeting with no evangelist your
Simon Pinchbeck:great chatty right Ben, listen, you know I've been in churches where the Lord pour down your
Reverend Ben Cooper:pour down holy fire Let it rain today from Heaven Let it rain the
Simon Pinchbeck:last church
Reverend Ben Cooper:Latter Day rain
Simon Pinchbeck:was gonna be a grenade of the Holy Spirit.
Reverend Ben Cooper:That's that's the Kundalini spirit.
Simon Pinchbeck:Where does it say? Grenades of Holy Spirit is gonna in the Bible? No, but it talks about the blood and make no mistake. And this is what really annoys me Ben is that we get this watered down dilute the gospel that makes us believe that that just ask for forgiveness. And it's there. Yeah. What what it cost,
Reverend Ben Cooper:what it costs,
Simon Pinchbeck:what it cost, what it costs the father forgiveness, my friends is not cheap, looked at across Yeah, and see what it cost. The father here is son is spilt blood on that cross. And it's been, it's the only way that we can get to ever please it is through the grass is only way when was
Reverend Ben Cooper:when is the same? Well, when was the last time we heard? I will use this, the shepherd because I have to use the biblical terminology. The shepherd of the denomination standing up in full view of the denomination delivering a sermon and an expository Bible study or even going online talking. When do we hear the one at the top of Catholicism the one at the top of the Church of England one at top of Eden The one at the top of IoT. When did we hear any of our leaders really preaching about the blood of Jesus?
Simon Pinchbeck:Silence next, yeah, no, no.
Reverend Ben Cooper:But what the church has picked up on is, I love doing life with you. If I hear that any more times, and see that on the socials, I am literally going to throw my phone out the window. I love doing life with these people. I love what what is what what life are you doing? What does that actually mean? Got to be really careful about language. And I'm not referring to filthy language. I'm referring to biblical language.
Simon Pinchbeck:We've spoken about it before, Ben. It's very true. You know, you. You know, we spoke about what William bu said. But here's the thing, you know, you can come alongside someone, and you can walk with them. And you can do life with them. Yeah. And they can go to hell.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
Simon Pinchbeck:You've not told him about the cross. You've not told him about Jesus, what he did and the power of the cleansing blood of Jesus. You've not told them about that. You've worked with them for months, and all of a sudden, where is he? Oh, he had a sell the other accent and diet. I didn't get a chance to tell him about it.
Reverend Ben Cooper:I wasn't five steps to salvation. God probably knows. Come on. Come on. Come over, carry never go for breakfast. Then we go for a treasure hunt around a town and then we'll then we'll have a little prayer meeting on the Jesus now. I need him. Tell me I need I'm going to die in two minutes. Tell me that's kind of a curry. First. Let's go to a men's group.
Simon Pinchbeck:We tick this box on average, have
Reverend Ben Cooper:you filled in the Gift Aid form? So I need Jesus? Or if I don't, I'm gonna die. I need Jesus. What can you offer me?
Simon Pinchbeck:Tell me about Jesus?
Reverend Ben Cooper:What can the church offer me?
Simon Pinchbeck:What did Jesus turn for me when he's giving you these loads, discipleship calls, ask for forgiveness,
Reverend Ben Cooper:I believe, I believe that we would never need to talk about discipleship. If the church spoke about the cross, the cross The cross The cross, because of the power of the cross, and the power of the doctrines of grace, will bring every one of us into a position and a walk with Christ, where Christ is the one that disciples through the word of God,
Simon Pinchbeck:I think you'll think you'll you've got a point now I think you're onto something there. Because if the if the church was preaching the Word, then the people that we know that one step foot in a church would want to see that's all Wesley's preached in it. And that's all
Reverend Ben Cooper:these Oh, they praise all they preached on a prayer and they
Simon Pinchbeck:were out and they got, you know, save hundreds give their lives their Lord
Reverend Ben Cooper:through that miracles happen.
Simon Pinchbeck:They didn't need no skates. They didn't need to dress up like now they didn't think that
Reverend Ben Cooper:they need some sit in a wheelchair on your legs about grow. And I'm pulling your leg and it's grown. And I've arranged for
Simon Pinchbeck:anything they really want. They just talked about the cross
Reverend Ben Cooper:under penalty than the penalty. It's all about
Simon Pinchbeck:sin and the wrath of God. Recognize they were sinners.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Was it Joseph? Or was it Joseph Edwards who preached that message? sinners in the hands of an angry god? Oh my goodness, it made the play shake. When you preach about sin justification, or what Simon is talking about? And judgment, the wrath of God, I will that will put anyone in in in a revival mode. Oh, well, that would that would put a firework in Yeah, that will get you moving.
Simon Pinchbeck:We did a we did a podcast on the fear of God. And they put the fear of God in us. And I've got to be honest, very quickly, I spoke at a group of churches and I spoke about fear. So the first first talk was on fear and everyone loved it. And I spoke on the fear of God, or that made people really uncomfortable.
Reverend Ben Cooper:And that was the second way or don't don't don't talk about lifestyle. It's a bit about it. Talk about that. Yeah, lifestyle choices.
Simon Pinchbeck:So if we come back to the Bible, Ben did so. You know, people say that let's not bother with the Old Testament, but that's complete rubbish. Because the Old Testament is looking forward to the cross in it is is pointing to the cross. Every chapter every page is pointing to point to the cross and the New Testament. So we've got in the Old Testament, I've got the cross in front of us, but in the New Testament, people say well, we got across mountain but I don't think we've been come if you come through the cross. You've got still got the cross in front of you. It's always before it's always before.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So God takes you home The cross will always be before you the cross. So the Old Testament is very alive and very powerful. It runs with the new the new runs with the old you can't separate them, even though there's about three or 400 years. Silence of God between the old and the No, you can't you can't separate that God did not say a word or move or do anything there was imagine that silence. That must have been awful. But if, if that is another scripture come up Leviticus chapter 16, verse 15, it talks about the mercy seat, the blood been sprinkled on the mercy seat. When was the last time you sat in a in a church and the preacher funded out about the power of the mercy seat the blood of Christ has been sprinkled on the mercy seat, Mercy. What a word mercy.
Simon Pinchbeck:I'm involved with a with a thing. Now it's called Bowling counter where we actually get people to sit on a mercy seat. That is a that's a big one. Sitting on an electric chair. Yeah. Because when you sit on that seat, you got to be truthful for the Lord and you gotta be truthful about your sins, man. You know what you're into the secret stuff. When you sit on, it's talking about the electric chair this mercy see when you sit on that seat? And now the Spirit convicts you of stuff. Yeah, yeah. And you've gotten you realize my before a lot before anytime you're you're flat on the floor. You're done. What? Oh, man, well, hang on a minute. What a rich Am I you know, that's where your
Reverend Ben Cooper:wretched man am I the sprinkling of blood. It says in Leviticus chapter 16, verse 15, and it says there'll be a sprinkling of blood inside the vowel. Another word that we don't hear anymore the vowel behind and beyond the vowel, the vowel was torn in toe we know. And to do with its blood he did with his own blood, the blood of spring called on the mercy seat, and in front of the Mercy Seat, bloodied everything, the act, the mercy seat, they didn't
Simon Pinchbeck:tell us, Ben tell us or when Jesus shed blood on the cross and die, and what happens to the veil in
Reverend Ben Cooper:turn into the script, apart when it ripped straight down, it says, And when he said it is finished, and gave up his spirit and bowed his head, it says that the heavens were open an access became accessible to the Father, because the temple curtain was torn into but but there are certain ministries that believe that that access, they can bypass Jesus to go into that realm have to be seated next to the right hand of the Father. And actually it says, I am the Way the Truth and the Life No one comes to the Father except through me. So when the temple curtain was torn into it gave us access to the Father, but not access by going around Jesus, but going through Jesus to go straight to the Father.
Simon Pinchbeck:You I couldn't have put it any better myself, but you really summed that up. And that is the truth. And that's it. It's, geez, you got to go. You got to go to jail. You got to go to Jesus and then to the father is no other way round it.
Reverend Ben Cooper:And when did he take us He takes us to the cross. He takes the Christianity takes us to the cross x is
Simon Pinchbeck:the cross we cut every second of your life got to guard that across First, pick up your cross daily, you got to go to the cross. First, understand that you're a sinner. Understand that the blood of Jesus will wash you clean and then have access to the Father because you can't go to the farm. You can't get to the farm the other way.
Reverend Ben Cooper:But we've got these ministries out there these prophetic ministries saying very clear and very loud that they are visiting God daily and moments and, and having fresh revelation and prophecies coming to them. All prophecies have been given through the word of God, there is not a no prophecy. There's nothing we don't need. And there's never going to be any more profits. Because the Scripture has been fulfilled. And we are living out last days.
Simon Pinchbeck:It's like this. This was interesting. The other day is like this might my son is he's a sales manager throughout the UK. And he was at some in some place one day and he had these digital name tags on it. And a guy came up to him and said I would Tom Pinchbeck German and I was Simon Pinchbeck. He said yes, my father is and I've been trying to get ahold of him for for ages I'm trying to get on with a man so we need we need to talk to him. We need to I want to speak to him about this than the other he's my Tom said hold on a minute. Dad on his phone. Hello dad is Tom Allison How you doing? Yeah, this guy this guy wants to speak to you access access.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So there you go. What a great analogy What a great story. Access access but you still got you still got it. Go through the Saturday I had to go for the sun. It's got to go through the sand
Simon Pinchbeck:go through the sun. He couldn't get to me any other way. Tried any other way? No. So you think that you immediately one phone call Bosh done to the cross through Jesus accepted. So what are the clothes? Yeah, wash washing it cleans so far. But goes, Yes, I see you, but I see Jesus.
Reverend Ben Cooper:It's just, it's to the cross. So looking at your story and the story of the Son and the Father of eternity. The only way I can talk to him is by going to the cross, because the cross opened up a new covenant.
Simon Pinchbeck:Please get those bends saying this isn't a Bennett. So
Reverend Ben Cooper:gosh, I'm going to use the I'm going to use it like this. But I think we all know what I'm going to what our I'm going to put this. So the the cross is almost like the phone, I go to the cross, which I can almost dial in. But I've got to go to the cross, there's got to that man at to pick up that phone to speak to you. So I've got to go to the cross to get to Jesus to get to the Father. But I no longer there's no other way. There's no other way. But I have to go to the cross. Now what is really important is that we are not using the cross as a symbolic image. But what happens when I look at that empty cross? It reminds me of Jesus the sacrifice. So it's not that we are lifting up the cross in a symbolic way and we are worshipping. Because that will become idol worship, what we do is we look at the cross we respect what it what it is and and we are not looking at that and lifting up high and then anything else but it's the one that was on the cross. And he's off the cross said he said to John, I was dead, but I'm alive.
Simon Pinchbeck:So so here's the deal. So we recognize we're a sinner, we come to the cross, yeah, we dump all our sin at the foot across. Then we embrace Jesus, to move away from our sin and move through the cross. Yeah. And Jesus, then it gives us access to the Father.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah. That's it. So the cross is always before us, isn't it? Praise that Lord, hallelujah,
Simon Pinchbeck:hallelujah. And the father goes, you've been redeemed, come into my arms and reconciling you you've been justified, sanctified, you've been sanctified.
Reverend Ben Cooper:And now I've anointed you
Simon Pinchbeck:call come in here. See what we're going to do together.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Blood has to be poured blood has to be shared. When you look at the Old Testament and you look at the know, it is really blood thirsty. Isn't it interesting how the world looks at Christianity they look at it all white socks and sandals and knitted jumpers,
Simon Pinchbeck:guitars and
Reverend Ben Cooper:kumbaya praise the Lord. But really, when you look at what Christianity is, it's death but through death is life. So fruit The scripture says that Christ died. Died death Gone, gone. But he was risen. And God breathed in his own land when you think about it, is this everything is centered at the cross
Simon Pinchbeck:one time or one time and sin debt paid by the blood of Jesus. No more there
Reverend Ben Cooper:you can keep your cat you can keep your balls yeah, I mean, no sacrifices nothing. Just it's been done.
Simon Pinchbeck:You don't have to drink it you know do anything you
Reverend Ben Cooper:put your fangs in you ain't
Simon Pinchbeck:and regardless of what goes on in other religions it's it's in memory we and they say met with Jesus said Do this in memory of me. Yeah. And then we can come on we'll dig into that a bit deeper. But this has been powerful. It's been one of the most powerful ones I think we've done and the Lord has spoken really powerfully for us. Because he wants to get this word out there. The blood the blood the blood has life
Reverend Ben Cooper:in the blood let's hope there's power in the blood everything everything comes back to the cross of Calvary there is no other way friends,
Simon Pinchbeck:and we're gonna talk next we're going to talk on Jesus story, the host the story of Jesus and and what he did and how he got to the cross. And the week after that we'll talk about the Father story because that's not never really been. You don't hear much of
Reverend Ben Cooper:now. father's story has a lot in that isn't a lot. But these are just quick fired. 45 minutes, 50 minute podcast where you can. Well, we honestly believe God is just laying a foundation out for you. And honestly, the responsibility sits with Every one of us to take it further and ask God to take us closer to the cross fruit across. Because you can't go around the cross,
Simon Pinchbeck:you can't go around him, please, you've got to go through it. You got to come to it. And and listen, you know if you've enjoyed this podcast #Christian straight talk, please spread it around please tell people and you know because we want people to be blessed by this stuff we want people to take into the hearts and we just love you to move forward with it. The second book is coming out soon it's all on fear. But this this couple of podcasts we're doing these few podcasts we're doing on the Cross has been has been very very powerful.
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